50cc...........Decisions,Decisions......... [Archive]

RCH Pilot

11-12-2009, 11:37 PM

Hey guys, I am looking for my next plane. I will be using a DLE 55 for power. I have a 2.6m Comp ARF extra 330 that I lucked into and got a good deal on, but in the interest of $$$, I am going to have to go with a 50cc this time. I hope that I'm not going to be too badly spoiled by the excellent flight quality of the larger plane, but I just can't get past the fact that to start from the ground up and put together another 100cc bird will cost almost exactly DOUBLE what it will cost to go with a 50cc size plane. Anyhow, I think I have narrowed it down to three and was looking for some input/direction from those who have experience with one or more of my choices. I will use my 2.6m for more IMAC type aerobatics (not as violent or close to the ground):201: and I would like to use my 50cc plane for more 3D type stuff. So, given that, here are the ones that I am looking at:

Aeroworks 50cc Extra 300
TOC 30% Yak
Aeroworks 50cc Ultimate Bipe

Fire away!:200:

P.S. Thanks in advance for any input

fish2keel

11-12-2009, 11:43 PM

I would say the TOC yak. Yaks are all around good flying airplanes expecially the TOC.

I know its not on the list but I fly a 3dhobbyshop slick 540 with a dle-55 up front and I LOVE IT!!! It flys like its on rails....best plane ive ever flown hands down

JoeAirPort

11-13-2009, 07:38 AM

Yeah there are lots of good planes out there. 3Dhobbyshop for sure and also look at the Extreme Flight Yak or Extra. I have them both and let me tell you I just never get used to how great they fly. They're 3D monsters. I like to fly the larger 50cc planes and 3Dhobbyshop and Extreme Flight are the best out there. Another big 50cc plane is the H9/Carden Yak but I don't think it's in the same league as the other two. It is light though.

almmendes

11-13-2009, 07:42 AM

Aeroworks Extra 300 50cc for a lasting model or a 3DHS SHP for crazy unlimited 3D. Aeroworks models are a little heavy by nature but you can always power it up with the amazing BME 58cc... lighter and more power than the DL

Get away from TOC (too heavy) and from the Ultimate...

Just my 2 cents

Nelvick

11-13-2009, 07:55 AM

My 50cents will be with AW 300, 260 or EF Yak 54.

ExtPlt

11-13-2009, 08:10 AM

Check out the Bill Hempel YAk 55. Its painless to assemble and fly’s awesome. The price will be very competitive, its going to be around the $500 mark.

Wojcigitty

11-13-2009, 08:45 AM

Although I don't have any experience with either of the Aeroworks airplanes, I have flown the TOC Yak. It flew good, more precise and groovy than most Yaks but it was pretty heavy and needed a lot more power than the canned DA-50 that was on it.

I have also flown the 3DHS Slick with a pipe (Tank's airplane) and it is incredible. Nice and groovy because of the long tail moment, but OH MY GOD does it 3D well. It actually goes backwards when you do a parachute. Really an awesome little airplane. Plenty of power. I haven't flown the Extreme Flight stuff but I have one of their smaller airplanes and it is very good, and I hear great things about the larger stuff.

The market for this size of airplane is saturated...you have a LOT of choices. There are a lot of good choices, but a lot of bad choices as well. Don't try to save money with an unproven airframe or you'll be really frustrated.

Al Lewis

11-13-2009, 09:14 AM

For IMAC take a look at the TT TOC 30% Extra 260 also.:197:

sun.flyer

11-13-2009, 09:35 AM

To me one of the very best 50CC planes on the market today for both IMAC and 3D flying.

http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=2559

Tim

fmnspooch

11-13-2009, 10:17 AM

Ive owned many Aeroworks planes. Their 75cc Extra 260, 120,50cc,100cc Yak and 50cc Pitts. They are well built, sturdy planes and there customer service is very good too. With that said, I recently purchased my first Extreme Flight 50cc Extra 300. All I can say is "WOW". In my opinion, it flies better than my Aeroworks. Thats just my .02 cents.

maineflyer

11-13-2009, 11:22 AM

Don't forget this one ;) I have one ready to build this winter and it is very, very well built.

maineflyer

11-13-2009, 11:23 AM

It is a PAU extra 300 sp http://performancercaircraft.com/html/extra300sp/extra300sp.html

ITSME

11-13-2009, 11:42 AM

It is a PAU extra 300 sp http://performancercaircraft.com/html/extra300sp/extra300sp.html

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classclown

11-13-2009, 11:54 AM

Don't forget this one ;) I have one ready to build this winter and it is very, very well built.

In the third photo, look at the left aileron, FLEX!!! Not good.

leepord geko

11-15-2009, 11:47 PM

I would say go for a Extreme flight I (had) a Aeroworks Extra 300 50cc, it flew nice but now I'm getting a Extreme flight, basically what it came down to was the aeroworks weighed 17lbs and has 1300sq" and the extreme flight probably very close in weight from what I've heard has 1450sq" thats quite a substantial difference and will greatly assist in 3d especially for harrier's I could never do a harrier with the aeroworks that felt locked in enough to bring it down lower.

astrohog

11-16-2009, 12:01 AM

In the third photo, look at the left aileron, FLEX!!! Not good.

HA HA Clown!You've gotta be kidding me! I am sure you are not seeing flex on that aileron! Maybe it is an optical illusion because of the scale aerobatic sights that are included in this kit and installed on the wingtips of the plane that is pictured.This plane has been ABUSED by many and I can assure you it is as good or better as the other top brands that have been posted earlier in this thread!Regards,Astrohog

Extra nuts

11-16-2009, 12:56 AM

Get a room you guys. Of the three you narrowed it down two i would pick the TOC yak. I haven't seen any TOC planes just break in half for unknown reasons.

classclown

11-16-2009, 07:25 AM

Astro, I know the PAU kits fly great. But take a good look at the third photo, look at the left aileron, if you don't see that aileron flexing, change your video monitor, or get your eyes checked.

astrohog

11-16-2009, 07:38 AM

Astro, I know the PAU kits fly great. But take a good look at the third photo, look at the left aileron, if you don't see that aileron flexing, change your video monitor, or get your eyes checked.
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I am not looking for the typical F.G. argument here, so please don't take my comments as such, okay? :198:

I just gotta point out to Classclown that in the photo you referenced, that plane is in a harrier and/or transitioning into a hover. There is little to no force on the ailerons in that flight configuration. If they are flexing as much as it may appear to you in that flight condition, there is no way they would even hang on during normal or high speed flight/aerobatics.

Regards,

Astrohog

FBaity

11-16-2009, 07:40 AM

:popcorncocktail:

classclown

11-16-2009, 08:38 PM

dbcaster

11-16-2009, 08:43 PM

I know it is not an arf so you may not be interested but here is one of the best 3D 50cc planes you will ever find. http://www.flyinggiants.com/swapshop/showproduct.php?product=15062&cat=2.

TheTank

11-16-2009, 09:56 PM

TheTank

11-16-2009, 10:00 PM

My vote, 3DH or ExtremeFlight 50cc bird. Either will outfly your 2.6M Comp arf, hands down when it comes to 3D.

Koal

11-16-2009, 10:41 PM

I'm with ya classclown. I see the wrinkles in the covering. I did just have a medical today though, and I'm still seeing better than 20/20. Ha,ha :197:

TheTank

11-16-2009, 10:56 PM

I'm with ya classclown. I see the wrinkles in the covering. I did just have a medical today though, and I'm still seeing better than 20/20. Ha,ha :197:

Wrinkles dont necessarily mean flex... they might just be... get this.... WRINKLES! :195:

crazyjoe

11-16-2009, 11:02 PM

You can see diagonal running lines on the ail. I like the TOC yaks but got to say I dont think I have seen anything fly 3d better than a 3DH plane. Although the one I saw there was some thing cheesy looking about them. I'm not sure if its the covering or the color or what. But they fly aw some and are built well.

crazyjoe

11-16-2009, 11:04 PM

Wrinkles dont necessarily mean flex... they might just be... get this.... WRINKLES! :195:
Every time I flex I get wrinkles

SportFlyer

11-16-2009, 11:24 PM

I see the wrinkles too in the left aileron...

sweetpea

11-16-2009, 11:38 PM

There is no way that is flex in a torque roll/ hover on an aileron. Even the crappiest built foam plane wouldn't flex in that position with that slow airspeed. Its nothing more than simple wrinkles in the covering.

I have seen a YT vid of a TOC shredding itself. Every plane can do it, if flown incorrectly.

Out of your choices though it would be the AW300 for me simply because its a company that hasn't changed hands 50 times like TOC. Ask me 5yrs from now if TOC is still with TT and I will then re-evaluate.

Cobra_03

11-17-2009, 12:12 AM

Covering wrinkles! Big deal! Buy a covering iron and be done with it. If you don't like covering buy and comp arf.

zoomer260

11-17-2009, 12:33 AM

In the third photo, look at the left aileron, FLEX!!! Not good.

That aileron is so flexed I'm gonna go ahead say it is BROKEN. Just about has to be given the attitude and lack of force it could have on it.

Just for the heck of it I just tried to get my covering to do that on a 30% Laser wing that I had run over with my truck (don't ask) and I could hear it pop and it still did not flex like that.

I had to look at it again and again. Judging from what the Laser wing did and this one. It IS broken. Mine tried to wrinkle just a little the same way (diaganal lines) and then it popped.

My two pennies. That is not the photo that they want to use to sell the plane.

I could be wrong. I have been many times before !

jssophusson

11-17-2009, 12:51 AM

Maybe you should all go to the PAU website, watch the video of it flying, then make a more educated guess at what the aileron is doing. It's just wrinkles.

classclown

11-17-2009, 01:21 AM

I'm with ya classclown. I see the wrinkles in the covering. I did just have a medical today though, and I'm still seeing better than 20/20. Ha,ha :197:

I was starting to wonder if there was something wrong with me, but there are wrinkles there. Oh well......
Ooops! Just saw all the additional posts, sorry guys, did not mean to fire up a sh!t storm. I know those planes fly nice. Buddy of mine let me try his, and it is an awesome kit.

Flyfalcons

11-21-2009, 02:29 PM

I think the video of the PAU 300SP pretty much speaks for itself...

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 02:47 PM

Blew up the picture to 400% and cropped it. Sure could be just wrinkles but they only seem to be occurring to the left of the control point. That would lead me to believe they were caused by flexing at some time. They also do not appear to be there in the first, or last, photo, Images too small to blow up and see clearly though. Guess they ironed them out before they took that picture. Beautiful plane though. Scheme reminds me of the FuntanaX. Love the aerobatic sights.

Ken-H

11-21-2009, 03:16 PM

Haha...you guys kill me. First off that's my plane and one the the prototypes and not a production plane. These are used for testing and not sold to anyone and tend to be not as high quality of the production planes. Secondly It's hovering, so it's basically coming from vibes. What you also can't see is how much water is covering the plane as it's raining pretty good.

Ken

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 03:19 PM

Well of course it raining Ken, you're in Washington State! It's always raining! Really is a beautiful plane. Great job!

Ken-H

11-21-2009, 03:23 PM

Gotta love WA State, hard to live any where else except when we have weeks like this one. Here is how this plane was being flown at that time. Appropriately named "fools".

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 03:25 PM

Gotta love WA State, hard to live any where else except when we have weeks like this one. Here is how this plane was being flown at that time. Appropriately named "fools".

Hey, whatever works! LOL At least they're dry! LOL BTW the rain is forcast to last until Christmas.:212: If I were in the market for a plane I'd sure be taking a hard look at that one. I've got a spare engine here that would fly the heck out of it.

wallygator

11-21-2009, 04:55 PM

Am I the only one who clicked on the third pic? Nobody see's the flex on the monokote of the left aileron? Holy crap...... ..... .....Not trying to start an argument either, just pointing out a fact, but I guess you guys have your blinders on. I give up. I'm gonna go mess with other peoples minds.....
I'm half blind and just had brainsurgery and I can see the flex. The tip is lined up with the sight and the root is deflected 30degrees. Plus the outer 1/2 is totally wrinkled. BTW I am bored ****less sitting in the hospitol and need to enetrtain myself. So shoot away.
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Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 05:03 PM

I'm half blind and just had brainsurgery and I can see the flex. The tip is lined up with the sight and the root is deflected 30degrees. Plus the outer 1/2 is totally wrinkled. BTW I am bored ****less sitting in the hospitol and need to enetrtain myself. So shoot away.
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Taking out or putting in??? LOL Best wishes for a quick recovery!:198::198::198::198::198:

wallygator

11-21-2009, 05:12 PM

Taking out or putting in??? LOL Best wishes for a quick recovery!:198::198::198::198::198:
They keep puttin it in (heparin) I'm on coumadin and they take me off for surgery then heparin till my INR is back up to 2. Been here since Monday, might go home tomorrow. All this so they can look at a hunk of metal under my optic nerve to see if has moved.

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 05:16 PM

Well I hope all is well and you're back flying again soon.

dr_d_2k

11-21-2009, 06:24 PM

That picture makes it look like the wingtip is hung up on the sights. I love the looks of the plane.

Wojcigitty

11-21-2009, 06:34 PM

I noticed the twist as well...but aileron appears to be twisted (if it is twisted) uniformly along its entire length, but the horn is about 1/3 of the way down the aileron, not at the root. If the twist (if it exists) were due to aerodynamic loads then it would not be twisted uniformly like that, it would be twisted in the opposite direction at the inner 1/3 of the aileron. I think that it's an optical illusion caused by the wrinkles in the covering, low photo resolution, and the wing-tip marker.

Aren't there quite a few of these out there? It seems like if there were a real problem with the aileron integrity we would have heard about it by now. I sure wouldn't let this one grainy picture of a preproduction prototype keep me from buying the airplane.

It's a gorgeous airplane, too. It really looks like a full scale 300SP.

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 06:37 PM

It sure wouldn't keep me from buying one. Besides, if the northwest crowd loves them they must fly great!! These guys are hard core huckers!

lazyboyflyer

11-21-2009, 07:08 PM

I wanted the best 50cc plane, I bought the 3DHS 89" AJ Slick.

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Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 08:40 PM

Let's be honest "Best" is a matter of opinion. What is best for you may not be for someone else. Personally I wouldn't buy a 50cc plane without a cowl ring. IMHO slipover cowls are for glow planes. Just my opinion.

sweetpea

11-21-2009, 08:44 PM

I thought the same thing Al and then I got the PAU Su-26. The cowl stays put without the ring. I think it depends on how the fuse it setup to hold the cowl as well. In this case the fuse is somewhat of a ring since the cowl is so long.

Al Lewis

11-21-2009, 08:48 PM

Yeah Sam, I think you could exclude the YAKs and Sukhois from that statement as they are supposed to slip over the fuse but the Slick in the picture posted just doesn't look like a gas plane to me. Probably just me but I like a smooth transition from teh cowl to teh fuse. I also think the cowl ring makes it more stable.