ETOC Sequence Aresti Drawing

[Troy Newman]

Ok fellas, here is a "aresti" of the sequence. Many of the figures are difficult to illustrate so they are boxed in and shown from above.

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Troy Newman

Edits: Yes Andrew you're right. Flying 100 times with a stick plane didn't catch that. It has to be a 1/2 roll to work like we want it too. Fixed Rev1.1

[Animal Jesky]

Question about number 5/6

In maneuver number 5 it looks to be shown that you exit crossbox??? When flown it will actually end up exiting on the X axis leading into the roller then you will exit the roller on the Y axis. This messes up maneuver 5 as well. Just wanna clarify if anything is wrong here.

Andrew

[Vic3D]

Number 6 looks interesting. LOL

[TheRooster]

do you have an aresti for it flown the otherway? Thanks

[TheRooster]

nvm, sorry number 7 was messin with me there for a second....got it, thanks

[JAS]

Man, just spent the last 3 hours practicing it wrong on G3... Liked it better with the 1/2 square down having a 3/4 roll, the 270 roller ending coming at us and the "8" flying through center. Oh well, tomorrow I guess I'll start practicing it like the aresti.

Is the KE optional (pos pull or neg push) in the 8? Guessing it's pos as that's the way it's drawn.

Thank you for the aresti Troy.

[Bert vander Vecht]

I am afraid the Aresti drawing raises some more questions.

1) The way the starting sequence is connected to the first manouvre means that you get a double displacement in depth shift towards the pilot. Shouldn't this be the other way round?

2) In manouvre 2 the goldfish part is shown as inverted flight (Dashed line). How do you go from level flight to inverted flight with a 1/4 roll? Same question for the exit, how do you go from inverted flight to inverted flight with a 1/4 roll?

3) Manouvre 4. the entry into the torque roll. A quarter knife edge loop or a knife edge harrier where the altitude of the C of G of the aircraft must not change. (Like the FAI torque roll entry from level flight in the F3p program.)

4) Manouvre 6. The way the Aresti is drawn you are required to keep changing heading during the snap rolls. This implies an unstalled condition of the airplane and thus a zero for the snap?

5) Manouvre 7. It is drawn as a horizontal level 3/4 eight. Is it a banked manouvre or a side slipped manouvre? The 1/4 and 3/4 rolls on entry and exit as well as the half roll in the middle do not seem to fit in with the Aresti drawing?

6) Manouvre 10. It is drawn as a manouvre with a level, upright, entry and exit. how does it fit between the previous and following manouvres that end and start with inverted flight?

Thanks in advance,
Bert.

[Troy Newman]

Bert See the answers below with your questions

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bert vander Vecht
	I am afraid the Aresti drawing raises some more questions. 1) The way the starting sequence is connected to the first manouvre means that you get a double displacement in depth shift towards the pilot. Shouldn't this be the other way round? A: The way it is drawn is correct. 2) In manouvre 2 the goldfish part is shown as inverted flight (Dashed line). How do you go from level flight to inverted flight with a 1/4 roll? Same question for the exit, how do you go from inverted flight to inverted flight with a 1/4 roll?, A: Yes it shown as inverted only because the loop portion of the goldfish is down elevator or a sort of negative G. The model is on Knife Edge using elevator to go through the "Dead" fish. So how do you go from inverted to inverted with a 1/4 roll. You don't the model is coming from Knife edge to inverted. to end the figure in #2 This can't be drawn with Aresti so I did what I could to illustrate it. The written description, of the figure needs to used for you to understand it. Basically the model rolls 1/4 roll to knife edge flight and then pitches negative G to a 45deg crossbox line, performs 2.5 rolls to the opposite knife edge flight, then pushes 5/8 of a horizontal circle and the model is using down elevator. 3) Manouvre 4. the entry into the torque roll. A quarter knife edge loop or a knife edge harrier where the altitude of the C of G of the aircraft must not change. (Like the FAI torque roll entry from level flight in the F3p program.) A: This is a judging question you should direct to the chief judge. My opinion and is only my opinion, is that it should be judged the same as the Torque roll in the F3P sequence the kfife edge harrier rotates into a torque roll with minimal to zero vertical altitude change. But this decision will not be made by me. So check with the event director and chief judge. 4) Manouvre 6. The way the Aresti is drawn you are required to keep changing heading during the snap rolls. This implies an unstalled condition of the airplane and thus a zero for the snap? A: The snaps must be stalled this is not an F3A model, and the speed on an indoor model is much slower. For the circle to be round you are absolutely correct, so you must do the best you can and the pilot performing it the best will recieve the best score. All pilots must live with this problem and overcome it. Snap roll criteria will not be sacrificed in order to maintain the circle. The pilot must adapt, and overcome. 5) Manouvre 7. It is drawn as a horizontal level 3/4 eight. Is it a banked manouvre or a side slipped manouvre? The 1/4 and 3/4 rolls on entry and exit as well as the half roll in the middle do not seem to fit in with the Aresti drawing? A: Again the model is on knife edge. and the loop portions are using elevator. Look at the notes saying the figure is veiwed from above. 6) Manouvre 10. It is drawn as a manouvre with a level, upright, entry and exit. how does it fit between the previous and following manouvres that end and start with inverted flight? A: Yes it is drawn with a level upright entry and exit and should be inverted. This will be corrected on Rev1-2. This figure is also drawn from above and is a 90deg flat turn, on the cross box element 1 roll-1 opposite roll, then another 90 deg flat turn no bank Thanks in advance, Bert.

[Troy Newman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Wondra
	do you have an aresti for it flown the otherway? Thanks

There is no other direction. The model will be flown in this direction. This stuff is hard enough on the judges as it is and comes at the judge very fast compared to a normal Scale Aerobatic sequence or F3A sequence. Don't confuse them.

Make it the same and let the best prepared pilot win.

[exeter_acres]

But what if the wind is coming from the other direction?

[Matchless]

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[Animal Jesky]

Thanks for the update Troy,

Looks like it should be fun, I have flown it the old way and it was fun this should make it a little easier.

Andrew