Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?)

ripper-911 · 07-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Hi Guys. I have heard of these but have never seen one done.
Can I get a few descriptions of how it's done and what the aircraft setup needs to be?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Robert

Stainless Skills · 07-13-2007, 07:32 PM

For an actual one you need a really light plane with tons of power and you need to have huge throws on all the surfaces.

But of course most of them are actually just a inverted harrier where you try to turn as fast as you can holding full rudder and jockying the ailerons and elevator.

Instead of tryng to enter one from a flat spin, enter one from an inverted harrier, just practice turning one way inverted and get tighter and tighter when you feel more comfortable.

Thats how its done.

ripper-911 · 07-14-2007, 11:41 AM

Awesome. Thanks Stainless. Neat approach. I will start trying that tommorrow!

Thanks again.

Regards,

Robert

thewrap · 07-16-2007, 08:03 AM

Yeah that's what happens to my Eflite foamies. I try and flat spin the go up not down unless I do a blender.

Scott Gerber · 07-16-2007, 08:13 AM

I spent some time yesterday trying to get my AirWwild Edge to climb in a IFS, I could get it to almost stop descending but not climb from a flat spin. I'll try the harrier method next time and see what happens...

Scott

3dcrazy · 07-21-2007, 11:30 PM

do you have G3.5? the stock yak on there does it great! mybe ill try to get a video of it.

Edge 540 · 07-21-2007, 11:51 PM

3.5 does it really easily, but the newest upgrade makes it a lot more difficult.

thewrap · 07-25-2007, 08:08 PM

Most planes will actually climb in an upright harrier like flat spin. I know electrics most of them anyway do it really easily. But other than that you rates on the elevator might be just a little too high. But if you do dial them down don't go too far.

ripper-911 · 07-26-2007, 03:03 PM

How critical is throttle vs elevator deflection?

Regards,

Robert

3DGE 540 · 07-26-2007, 03:58 PM

If you have a profile 3D plane like a OMP Katana or TMPro's new Extra 260 they are really easy to do climbing inverted flat spins because they are so light weight and have huge control surfaces. And also just keep practicing !

Tired Old Man · 07-26-2007, 06:05 PM

Have the power to weight, lot's of deflection, and open up the spin a little while playing the surfaces. You cannot hold a super tight spin and climb, but you can have a spin that's not as tight as it could be and climb. A tight spinning harrier could be an appropriate call for it.

thewrap · 07-26-2007, 08:20 PM

Well usually it's a total combination of the two. But also you have to keep in mind that you usually don't need full throttle in an IFS. But it's like everyone else has said just keep practicing.

07-13-2007, 06:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
ripper-911 Ballerina Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 24	Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Hi Guys. I have heard of these but have never seen one done. Can I get a few descriptions of how it's done and what the aircraft setup needs to be? Thanks in advance. Regards, Robert

07-13-2007, 07:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Stainless Skills BOOMSHAKALAKA Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 19 Posts: 801	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) For an actual one you need a really light plane with tons of power and you need to have huge throws on all the surfaces. But of course most of them are actually just a inverted harrier where you try to turn as fast as you can holding full rudder and jockying the ailerons and elevator. Instead of tryng to enter one from a flat spin, enter one from an inverted harrier, just practice turning one way inverted and get tighter and tighter when you feel more comfortable. Thats how its done.

07-14-2007, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
ripper-911 Ballerina Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 24	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Awesome. Thanks Stainless. Neat approach. I will start trying that tommorrow! Thanks again. Regards, Robert

07-16-2007, 08:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
thewrap I had it, but then I lost it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Highland Village Texas Age: 16 Posts: 1,713	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Yeah that's what happens to my Eflite foamies. I try and flat spin the go up not down unless I do a blender. __________________ "In memory of Sean Branson"

07-16-2007, 08:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Scott Gerber You can shove this job...!!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana Age: 50 Posts: 786	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) I spent some time yesterday trying to get my AirWwild Edge to climb in a IFS, I could get it to almost stop descending but not climb from a flat spin. I'll try the harrier method next time and see what happens... Scott __________________ "Because it is the right we turn to when all else fails. That's why the Second Amendment is America's first freedom..." Charlton Heston 1997


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07-21-2007, 11:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
3dcrazy Gettin' Lower! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Owasso,OK Age: 20 Posts: 32	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) do you have G3.5? the stock yak on there does it great! mybe ill try to get a video of it.

07-21-2007, 11:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Edge 540 Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 1,619	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) 3.5 does it really easily, but the newest upgrade makes it a lot more difficult. __________________ www.ohiomodelplanes.com http://www.flyinggiants.com/gallery/...500&ppuser=273

07-25-2007, 08:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
thewrap I had it, but then I lost it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Highland Village Texas Age: 16 Posts: 1,713	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Most planes will actually climb in an upright harrier like flat spin. I know electrics most of them anyway do it really easily. But other than that you rates on the elevator might be just a little too high. But if you do dial them down don't go too far. __________________ "In memory of Sean Branson"

07-26-2007, 03:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
ripper-911 Ballerina Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 24	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) How critical is throttle vs elevator deflection? Regards, Robert

07-26-2007, 03:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
3DGE 540 Huck It Low Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 181	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) If you have a profile 3D plane like a OMP Katana or TMPro's new Extra 260 they are really easy to do climbing inverted flat spins because they are so light weight and have huge control surfaces. And also just keep practicing ! __________________ Theres Only 1 Way To See If Your Plane Is Strong... BLENDER!!!

07-26-2007, 06:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tired Old Man Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 938	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Have the power to weight, lot's of deflection, and open up the spin a little while playing the surfaces. You cannot hold a super tight spin and climb, but you can have a spin that's not as tight as it could be and climb. A tight spinning harrier could be an appropriate call for it.

07-26-2007, 08:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
thewrap I had it, but then I lost it. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Highland Village Texas Age: 16 Posts: 1,713	Re: Climbing Inverted Flat Spin (How?) Well usually it's a total combination of the two. But also you have to keep in mind that you usually don't need full throttle in an IFS. But it's like everyone else has said just keep practicing. __________________ "In memory of Sean Branson"

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