33% or 40% What to do...cost comparison

[exeter_acres]

Well... I'm loving my 85" QQ yak, but I already want something bigger. I'm not a builder so kits are not an option for me (too busy flying!!)
main use will be IMAC but I like to play too!

My short list came down to the 102" QQ Yak with DA 100, but I have a few friends that say just pend the extra money for a 40% (or so) plane....
I have a full size van so transport isn't a serious issue....

but I'm trying to do a cost comparison.... am I missing anything..?
Now these numbers aren't anywhere near exact, but they are ballpark....
I already have 3 5955's and 2 8611a's
and 2 LiIon setups
from what I know a 33-35% would need 8 servos (not including throttle) and a 40% could be up to 14 servos (again not including throttle)
Does that sound correct..??

QQ 102" Yak shipped.. @$1150
hardware $70
DA100. $1150
Cans @380
addtnl servos (x3) @$300
matchboxes (x3) $210
addntl battery setup $120 (fromeco 4800, reg and badger switch)
smart-fly expander $150
prop $117
spinner $110 or so



40% (model yet to be determined...but I really love Yaks, so I may wait for the new QQ)

airframe @$1700 somewhere in the range I believe
hardware ?? $200 (sound fair??)
DA150 $1495
cans @$450
add servos (x9) @$900
matchboxes (x5) $350
battery $120
expander $150
prop $155
spinner $150



33% total $3757
40% total $5670



Now...I know there are things that are left out....but hopefully nothing huge (let me know if there is.....) but this are the major things....

and I know I can cut some costs, but I'm trying to do the comparison here...

several people have said "just go for the 40%'er, its only about $500 more"

but everytime I run the numbers, I'm seeing upwards of a $2000 dollar difference.....



what am I missing or are the people that are telling me this misguided??

If you have read all the way to here... Thanks!!

Any thoughts you can impose upon me would be great!!!

Cheers
Exeter

[Cracky]

with most 40's you only need two powerful aileron servos and single on the elevators, same basic setup as with a 35%.....two rec batteries...etc

I was going to get a 35% AW 260, and when I started crunching the numbers I was going to have a good chunk of money in it to get it flying. So I decided to find a gently used 40% to go with...because even after I got the 35% I would have wanted a 40%.

[Cracky]

plus depending on your radio you might be able to get by with only 1 matchbox (for rudder).

[wildhare]

Ok here's what I suggest using the new Wild Hare 41% Extra in place of a 35% plane. I started with your config, then copied and modified it.



40% (model yet to be determined...but I really love Yaks, so I may wait for the new QQ)

airframe @$1700 somewhere in the range I believe
hardware ?? $200 (sound fair??)
DA150 $1495
cans @$450
add servos (x9) @$900
matchboxes (x5) $350
battery $120
expander $150
prop $155
spinner $150


41% Wild Hare Extra 300

airframe @$1295
hardware ?? $110 Wild Hare hardware kit, all top of the line and tested
DA150 $1495
cans @$450
add servos (4x5955) @$460
matchboxes 1x$70 for rudder
battery $120
expander $150
prop $72 (menz 32-10)
spinner $75 (Dave Brown vortec)

This setup uses 3 5955s on rudder, your 2 8611a on elevators, and 4x 5955 on ailerons. The only matchbox requirement is on the rudder. You COULD add one for the ailerons also, but I think that is unnecessary.

Total is under $4,200.00. About $500 more than your 35%. Your friends are right, it's not a big jump.

TF

[exeter_acres]

well.......




there's a curve ball I never saw coming!!

Daddy likes.... appreciate the time on that one... I hadn't seen that airframe, but it looks very interesting!

[airborneSGT]

Yeah the 40% aint much of a big jump. There are plenty of 35% kits that cost more than a 41% kit. If you want to save money on a rudder servo use the Seiko and go with a single rudder servo with 1600oz of torque vs. 3x5955's. You will save at least $100 with the one servo on the rudder. Makes your setup simple also.

The bigger planes come in larger boxes so are much harder to hide from wives/gf's. If they ask it only cost $100 anyway.

[plaster93]

Boy that Wildhare is sweet too, I think I know which one I would get!

[Mark Dennis]

Or here is the setup with the new 40% 260 QB that will be out for next season( it will be out about the same time as the QQ)

40% (model yet to be determined...but I really love Yaks, so I may wait for the new QQ)

airframe @$1700 somewhere in the range I believe
hardware ?? $200 (sound fair??)
DA150 $1495
cans @$450
add servos (x9) @$900
matchboxes (x5) $350
battery $120
expander $150
prop $155
spinner $150


40% Aero-Works 260 QB with cans

airframe @$1850
hardware ?? none all included
DA150 $1495
cans @$450
add servos (4x5955) @$460
matchboxes 1 for rudder servos 70
battery $120
expander $no need if you go with one reciever
prop $72 (menz 32-10)
spinner $140 for a tru-turn

=4666

40% Aero-Works 260 QB with mufflers
airframe @$1850
hardware ?? none all included
DA150 $1495
cans @$150
add servos (4x5955) @$460
matchboxes 1 for rudder servos 70
battery $120
expander $no need if you go with one reciever
prop $72 (menz 32-10)
spinner $140 for a tru-turn

=4366

Now lets factor in the QB aspect considering you will be in the air in 10-12 hours instead of 20-25 thats 10-13 hours saved of your time that if you are like most you do not have. Just something to consider.

[wildhare]

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	Now lets factor in the QB aspect considering you will be in the air in 10-12 hours instead of 20-25 thats 10-13 hours saved of your time that if you are like most you do not have. Just something to consider.

8-10 hours on the Wild Hare Extra 300 41% is also a realistic number. The only "quick build" feature that the Aeroworks planes have that Wild Hare does not is their canopy is pre-attached. That's it. WH is pre-hinged (and with pocket hinges, not the old style with large turbulence-inducing gaps) and everything else is done. In theory no glue is required (although you are well advised to go over any ARF) if you attach the canopy with screws.

Most people like to do this themselves I have found, but If you really want us to attach the canopy we'll be happy to do that for you, and if you like we'll install the panels and pilot for you.

Also our professional version comes with two sets of h-stabs (3d and precision) a pilot and panels.

The rudder tray supports 3 servos so no need to spend money on an aftermarket tray.

The planes are available now.


TF

[SleepyC]

MAN.... TOSS A COIN!
Both the Aero-works and the WILDHARE LOOk GREAT!!!

And from what I hear BOTH companies make GREAT planes!!!
And have GREAt PRICES, and customer service!!!

THANKS GUYS!!!

[adrian]

you have to go 40% - you will be sorry if you dont - the WH, the AEro or even the AM yak37.5 all in the ball park - go with your heart - all good people to do bussiness with!!

must say i like the WH with the extra's

dont check the cents bro - you never want to skimp on a 40%

[Marty]

Another thing you can consider is an Almost Ready to Cover kit where everything is basically pre-built and all you have to do is install your equipment and cover. It may take longer to put together than an ARF, but you can cover it the way you want yet still have a beautifuly flying airplane. Wildhare, it says on your website that the 41% extra is also available in an ARC. What's the cost of that?