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Old 09-19-2006, 11:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi!

I´m using AFPD since ~100h.
Now I´m thinking about buying a real model. Because I do a lot of aerobatic with the Sim (Loops, Torques, Rolls, Start, Landing is no problem with all sim-models), I´d like to buy an aerobatic electric model. I flew the easyglider in real, but it was very boring. My favourite is the new Acromaster. But can I handle this? Maybe it´s better to fly with a e.g. TwinStarII.

What is your experience with the change from sim to real?

I´m thankful for every hint!

And excuse my english, my german is much better

Greetings from Bavaria!

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Old 09-19-2006, 11:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey ALEX!
Welcome to the FG.

I would say any of the lite wingloading 3D models would be a good transition.
Most of these handle almost like a trainer on low rates, but when you want you can really turn up the fun, and the rates!

if your looking for a nice plane that comes in a good package deal, check out extreme flights extra 300, or thier new YAK. Both land like a trainer, but would be anything but boring.

Or check out one of the MANY foamies... they are inexpensive, and can do pretty much anything.

I think you will find that the transition from sim to real plane is pretty simple...
You chose a great way to learn... crash 100 planes on the sim cost $0.

Good luck.. and i'm sure the guys here on the site will have many suggestions for you!

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Old 09-19-2006, 12:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hey SleepyC!

Thank you for your tips!

I´d love to fly the extra from extreme flights! What a wonderful model! But I´m afraid of destroying it. Everybody who I was talking with, said: Be careful, start smooth, buy a foamy glider or so. They say, that sim and reality are very different things, you can´t compare. But they don´t have experience with sims. I think I can fly more difficult models than this boring foam-gliders or trainers. But I have no idea which one. And trying this with a sensible model would be very expensive.

I´m very unsure...

Many greetings to your german family! It would be a good time to visit munich! It´s oktoberfest-time!

I like your community! Everybody´s very friendly and has a helpy hand!

CU!

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Old 09-19-2006, 05:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Alex, I myself went from sim to real planes, really there isn't that big of a difference, I got a parkzone typhoon 3d, similar to the acromaster, and did fine, could tell after the first flight that I wanted something with more power, now, 5 months later, I'm flying a wildhare 25% edge and wanting to go bigger, and probably will here shortly, just get a feel for the plane before you get down on the deck with it, as you would with any new plane, so I say go ahead, you should be fine

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No matter how good you are on the sim (video game) I still think you should start out with a trainer.

I wouldn't go with an electric plane as my first real plane ( my opinion) there are some complicated thing you have to know about the ESC and stuff. depending on size the batteries can be pretty expensive.
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I sure wouldn't recommend a trainer, you'll be bored witht that after the first few solos, shortbus is right about the electric stuff, but if you take the time to learn all about it, you'll be alright, but its easy to mess up the lipolys, so read up on it good if you go with electrics, 70 bucks a battery can add up quick! Good luck, I hope it works out.
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Old 09-19-2006, 11:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Alex, Also want to welcome you to FG! I agree with Sleepy, you made a good choice by getting the Sim! I started out with a sim also thanks to a friend, and it was probably the best thing I did as far as learning to fly goes. I went to simple electric powered airplanes and had no problem, then I went to a trainer, flying at the local field. Since I already had some experience, I was flying a 3d plane right after I had been cleared to fly my original trainer.

As for the setup, I agree with Shortbus that some of the electric stuff is a little confusing at first, but the directions have never failed me, as long as you follow them carefully, I think the setup should be fairly straightforward. If in doubt about anything, FG is the place to ask!

I think the fact that you have flown a good amount on the sim and have some time on the EasyGlider should help you out with transitioning to an aerobatic plane like the EF Extra or Yak, or a foamy, like something from InsaneFoamies, 3DFoamy or a number of other good MFGs. Put the rates on low to take it up high, and explore the flight envelope. How does it stall, how slow can you get it, how sensitive is it to the control inputs is it? Once you have gotten used to how it handles it up high, you can start flying approaches and eventually landings. After a few flights, you can start doing some aerobatics with it; as with any new airplane, I would try it up high the first few times to be safe.

As long as you are confident in your flying skill with the basics, set it on low rates and go have some fun. Even better if you have someone with experience in flying an aerobatic plane helping you out the first few times or so.

Good luck with getting up and flying, once you do, you won't regret it!

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Shortbus: No matter how good you are on the sim (video game) I still think you should start out with a trainer.
This is good advice. One can have a lot of fun with an aileron high wing.

As far as electrics go, I don't see a problem with that. Just go the the LHS, and ask them for the correct stuff to get started. The Wattage Super Impress is a fun little plane. My did knife Edge passes!
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Many, many thanks!!

You all helped me a lot to choose my first plane (or at least to give me some direction). This weekend I will think about my decision once again. The shops are closed anyway...

If you are interested in how my story goes on, I will post it here shortly.

Thank you again, you are very kind

Greetings!

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Old 10-02-2006, 12:03 AM   #10 (permalink)
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well my nephew today took the sticks for the first time ever and took off flew acrobatics and landing several times in succesion
i mention this because before today he has been flying realflight g3 for about a week
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Old 10-17-2006, 03:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi!

I told you, for those of you, who are interested in the ongoing story, I will tell.

So, I bought a "Multiplex Acromaster", built it in three days without a problem. It made so much fun!

Then the great day came. I had some friends with me, who are model-pilots too. It was time for the maiden flight. And what can I tell you? In the first flight, I did Rolls, Loopings and a very good Landing!
My friends stood there, with their mouth wide open.

Since then, I did 20 flights or so, and I make huge progresses in aerobatics. No crash!
I´m so happy with my new hobby, I could fly the whole day!

Last night I dreamed of a Funtana S90...

So that´s my story of beginning Model-Flying! I really recommend everyone, who is a beginner, to train with a GOOD Sim like AFPD, Reflex or so.
OK, I did 150 h or so with the Sim but I think even with less it helps A LOT!

Many greetings from Germany!

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awesome to hear that it went well, congrats
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