FlyingGiants Exclusive! Introducing The Futaba 12FG, Modules & More!

[JeeUm]

I have absotlutely no idea, I'm only restating what was already said.

PPM is faster then PCM 1024

2048 is faster then 1024.

If PPM is near the same speed as 2048, then who cares if it's used.

[Tor]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JeeUm
	If PPM is near the same speed as 2048, then who cares if it's used.

Would you care if 2048 was twice the speed of PPM?

[Boulder]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JagerBomb
	Awefully strong language on something you have no personal knowledge of! It was stated by Frank Knoll Jr who would have personal knowledge "When using the 12Z & 14MZ modules the processing speed will be equal to the current systems. You can figure everything that the 12 & 14 does now, will continue with the 2.4 FASST modules." Futaba has more than done right by the consumer by not just launching a new 12FG 2.4, but also supporting past customers with an easy upgrade for their present equipment. As my Dad would say, "I think you need to cool your jets".

Well said Mark,

As important as it is to get this new info out to the public, it's also extremely important that we allow the folks in the know, ie: the Futaba techies, to answer your questions. Please understand that it's 9:20 PM Central time, most of these guys have gone home to their families. It's probably a good bet that we will get some answers tomorrow, however, in the meantime, please read the press release at the beginning of this thread to acquire as much info as possible. There is a ton of information there, actually more than I could grasp in the first reading.

Thanks for understanding guys, this is obviously one of the "milestone announcements" of the modeling industry.

[Kiwi]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	The problem is PPM is not faster than PCM-G3 (who cares about 14 channels, I don't atleast - I got the 14MZ for the speed). Your premise is wrong, since you are comparing with PCM1024. Hence, if the 2.4Ghz modules are using PPM for internal communications it will be slower than 72Mhz (or in my case, Europe, 35Mhz) PCM-G3. I don't want to jump to conclusions, as I edited and wrote in my previous post. Let's see what Futaba says.

Tor,

Your up late and its getting to be the same way here but please I dont understand what your on about so we will leave this until we can get someone to come in and definitely answer your questions.

But Frank Noll Jnr's post states the new modules can run 2048 in PPM mode. Are you saying 2048 in PPM is slower than 2048 in PCM???

I somehow think you have the cat by the tail mate.

Kiwi

[JeeUm]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	Would you care if 2048 was twice the speed of PPM?

I'm just trying to give Futaba a few minutes to enjoy their announcement.

[Boulder]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tram
	Would it be possible to have an old FM module out of say a 9CAP and revert the 12 back to FM when not flying with a 2.4 RX? Jeff www.CommonSenseRC.com

Probably not since the modules for the 9CAP are strictly the RF frequency modules, not the deciding factor of whether of not the transmitter modulates in FM or PCM.

Another note, the module for the 9CAP will not fit in either of the 12's.

[Tor]

Kiwi, JeeUm, Boulder
Take it easy guys!

I just wanted an answer to a technical question - but since no one seems to have the answer, there is no point in keeping the debate going.

Edit:
Just to clear up some points.
Kiwi - the is no such thing as PPM2048
JeeUm - Spektrum modules are using PPM aswell, which is why I (still) hope Futaba would be better

[torquen]

Tor, if you want to buy a spectrum module then feel free to do so. No one is holding you back. But have fun using a 14mz on 8 channels. The other companies could not get the Futaba Coding and they have even said this in other posts. Now Futaba knows all of their own coding so its not a big deal for them. Notice there is not a buddy box cord going into the module. Everything is self contained and is a direct drop in.

The latency is 100x faster than the other brand. The resolution will be 2048 or better. So there is absolutely no question that this will be just as good or better than what we have been using.

2048 is amazing fast and if you have never flown with it you have no idea. In my eyes anything that will be 1024 or better is awesome because I have always done just fine using 1024.

The nice thing with the 12 and 14 is they are fully updatable on the net. So Futaba is not screwing the customers in any way. They are actually giving the customer the advantage of staying current on technology without spending more money. The latest update just brought the ppm mode up to 12 channels that fully function. They don't even make receivers that have that many channels.

But don't "threaten" to buy something else. If you really want to then do it. Futaba is not a company that sits back and likes to be in last place.

Futaba has brought you a 14 channel radio that has 2048 resolution, digital trim, servo grouping, heli,airplane,glider modes, fully update-able, and now full speed 2.4 SS.

Garrett Morrison

[Kiwi]

Tony,
You know when all the dust settles over these new systems there will still be lock outs, shootdowns and unexplained losses. The whole 2.4 benefit to my simple mind is its going to spread a lot more people over a much wider band width with less, but not neccessarly never, an issue with interference. Radio waves dont go round corners very well, they dont go through tree trunks. They get a hard time near high tension wires.

Will all this go away?? Likely not all of it but surely most of it.

Do you have to junk your 10X for the newest toy?? Your choice mate. I use both brands and you know what, They are both excellent products. Is mine bigger and better than yours. I dont know but I like mine.

Its interesting times. The eye candy from the new model suppliers is daunting.

Hang in mate. Take a breath, decide with time. Its like going shopping in the supermarket when your hungry. Not a smart way to shop.

Kiwi

[ShortBus]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	Would you care if 2048 was twice the speed of PPM?

No, not really. They did just fine at the TOC in 02 with 1024

[Tor]

Garrett, you are not really saying anything new here.

I have the 14MZ and enjoy the speed of G3. I wouldn't want to take a step backwards, by using slow PPM modules - be that Spektrum og Futaba.

Untill Futaba gives some technical insight this debate is pointless, should we let it rest?

[Boulder]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	Kiwi, JeeUm, Boulder Take it easy guys! I just wanted an answer to a technical question - but since no one seems to have the answer, there is no point in keeping the debate going. Edit: Just to clear up some points. Kiwi - the is no such thing as PPM2048 JeeUm - Spektrum modules are using PPM aswell, which is why I (still) hope Futaba would be better

I didn't realize I was getting overzealous, I would like to apologize if that's the way it seemed.

Yep...now seems like a good time to sit and wait for the Futaba gurus to come on board...all in good time folks.