QQ Aircraft Ti-12.....sneak peek!!!!

[MikeC3D]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	Ouch! That means that if you insist on DA you are gonna have to fork over the coin for the unobtainium 200 and another $1200 for pipes. Or dump the brand loyalty and get a shakier 200+cc twin. Sounds like this bipe is in preprepreproduction stages right now, though, so who really knows...

I bet the 170 would work, and its 6oz lighter than the 150. That would bring the weight down alot, maybe stock muff's, 2 extra cylinders and 4 tuned pipes is alot of weight. Then everything would probably have to go up front to obtain the proper cg. Who know's , I for one can't wait until another big bipe hits the market. I have been looking at the ace/TT pitts' and thinking about making a single place canopy to fit it, lighten it up like my yak. I would have to modify the ailerons too though. clip the wings, hopefully QQ will bring one of these out. He told me a long time ago that the big Python flew like a Ferrari, so whats the hold up QQ/ Wayne....lol

[3D Master]

	Quote: Originally Posted by MikeC3D
	HUH?????? Chip's last Ultimate 10-300 was 43lbs(04 tas) and he had lightening hole cut in the airframe too.... The 200 with 4 tuned pipes is the main culprit in these weights for either plane, plus smoke stuff is another 3-4lbs. But the Ti-12 is 44% and Chip's Ulti is 42%, but you have to remember, just like a yak vs a edge or extra, the pitts m-12 is a bigger plane than the ultimate, so scale will play a factor in rc models too. my 40% yak just towers over my bud's 260 & 300 Carden 40%'ers. I for one am glad to see bigger bipes emerging, I like bipes, but am tired of the 46% Ultimate. I think it would be very easy to get the weights down below 45, and if not, then if QQ ever does release the big Python or the Ti-12, I can widdle it down just like I did with My yak, no biggie. JMO

I guess you didn't see the post correctly, his last TOC ultimate weighed 51 pounds!! Not his last TAS ultimate, Actually his last TAS ultimate was the one his dad had built him 15 years ago and is by far lighter than the aero works ultimate, so that right there shows that these planes can be built lighter, i mean 13 years later or so the build him a new one that weighs 51 pounds and 13 years earlier the one he had weighed 43 pounds roughly. So it can be done and even the one he had at the last TAS just had stock mufflers to on the DA 200.

[Hinckley Bill]

How would the new 3W220 4 cylinder work for this baby???

[FastnLow]

A 3w 212b4 would also be a great choice. A 3w210 or ZDZ 210 would be an ideal choice as well, lighter than the 4 bangers plus way less baffling required.

[crhammond]

Well - my TT TOC Pitts M12 will be here in two days. I am thinking a 170 of some type and hoping to have the weight around 42-44 lbs... but I won't know until its here.

My QQ Python was nose heavy and since the Truworthy M12's were also nose heavy I am hoping it will balance with the 170 and not need a bigger motor. I'll be aiming to keep the weight down rather than go huge on the motor to compensate.

Performance of the QQ 100cc Python on cans and/or pipes with a DA100 is excellent. This plane will have a lot more drag and weight (but also a huge wing area.) I guess I'll find out if its good enough for IMAC next spring.

[Kaveman]

so where is the video cant find it

[psk560]

It didn't look heavy when I took this pic...

Craig

[3D Master]

So i know we don't know much until QQ and Wayne and all get this thing ready for production.... But do we have any info on the plane as a when abouts this plane will be up for the public as a 44%?? Or atleast pre orders? Xmas time?? That would make a great Xmas gift to us all!...

[crhammond]

Well - I have been bugging Wayne and everyone at QQ for a year to make a big bipe. I do not think they are going to. I have about 10 emails form Wayne saying they are not. So in the mean time I bought the TOC. We can always hope they do some day.

One thing I will say is engine choice is a big issue. I have been researching for my TOC Pitts and there are not really any 100% good choices:

3W seems finicky - a lot of the issues and fixes are documented but it makes me nervous the more I read about gaskets sucking in, warped carb blocks, failed ignitions etc.

DA170 - is under re-design on a bunch of parts. Soonest they will be done testing is Oct 1 and they have 200(!!!!!) on back-order after that that will take several weeks to clear. Thats what they told me anyway. Good on them to get it right. I may end up waiting for one of these in the spring.

ZDZ160 or 210 - seems like a good choice but some folks have issues with blowing out the plugs. I had a Super 80 and really loved it. I am thinking about the 160 Super on pipes. I have read a lot less reports of plugs blowing out on it than the 210.

Maybe I read the forums too much and I should just pick one and try it. But they are all big $... and I am hoping for a trouble free engine.

So if QQ Aircraft had a big bipe what engine would they recommend?

[3D Master]

	Quote: Originally Posted by crhammond
	Well - I have been bugging Wayne and everyone at QQ for a year to make a big bipe. I do not think they are going to. I have about 10 emails form Wayne saying they are not. So in the mean time I bought the TOC. We can always hope they do some day. One thing I will say is engine choice is a big issue. I have been researching for my TOC Pitts and there are not really any 100% good choices: 3W seems finicky - a lot of the issues and fixes are documented but it makes me nervous the more I read about gaskets sucking in, warped carb blocks, failed ignitions etc. DA170 - is under re-design on a bunch of parts. Soonest they will be done testing is Oct 1 and they have 200(!!!!!) on back-order after that that will take several weeks to clear. Thats what they told me anyway. Good on them to get it right. I may end up waiting for one of these in the spring. ZDZ160 or 210 - seems like a good choice but some folks have issues with blowing out the plugs. I had a Super 80 and really loved it. I am thinking about the 160 Super on pipes. I have read a lot less reports of plugs blowing out on it than the 210. Maybe I read the forums too much and I should just pick one and try it. But they are all big $... and I am hoping for a trouble free engine. So if QQ Aircraft had a big bipe what engine would they recommend?

I do not believe you can ever over research on the forums. I mean its your money and you get what YOU want not what others recommend, thats just me i mean there's an engine your interested in but has some problems, if i were to pay for a 2k engine i don't want to buy something thats had many problems and no fix or a fix that it still has problems. As for QQ aircraft not doing the Ti-12 in a big size... I wish we could all get our hands on a byp of this size I mean i do understand the problem with this, its alot of money in an airplane of this size but if you've got people that will pay for it i believe make it, you'll sell more that way. But this is all a business so its all understandable.
Kyle

[MikeC3D]

I dont know why there are'nt more big bipes out there, there are plenty of people who would buy/build them, heck look how long the H9 46% Ultimate has been around, and they still sell like hot cakes, there has been a few companies making Ulti's but they are getting boring to see. I wish Bob Trueworthy would offer his 44% pitts m12 kits again, I would just get one and build it with the mods like he did for QQ, Cause thats what QQ's Big Python is he showed in 06 at Nall, and this Ti-12 is agian a Trueworthy kit modified also. I guess ther are alot of people who like the standard M-12, but I like the sporty/agressive look of the python/Ti-12 version's. Mr. Trueworthy should just make mods to his kits and sell them as python's/ ti-12's. I think alot of kits would be sold, I know one would for sure...lol

[bigredav2002]

I am getting ready to start on one of his kits and while I was trying to find one I did manage to get Bob T. to come one here and say that he will be sending wood to his laser cutter soon and should have some kits this fall. It appears he gets on FG regularly I would PM and get on the list for the fall run his screen name is Bob
Wes Ryman