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[rdgood]

Jason,

There are times I really get wish that the term Freestyle meant freestyle I sure didnt hear the crowd booing when Kyle was flying. If ya ask me the judges should
listen to the crowd - to be honest I keep watching Shulman, You , Quique and to be quite honest I am in awe of their skill in the knowns and unknowns - it completely blows me away . but in the freestyle - I mean it should be freestyle not IMAC style free style. Back in the day when Chip, Jason and Christophe were doing more 3D type stuff it was quite appealing (actually pretty jaw dropping stuff) now we are seeing less of it and more IMAC type stuff showing up in freestyle. Lets face it doing 3D is very difficult and should be rewarded for skill and precision at low level. Of course if you touch - game over. I just think that sometimes just becasue your a Shulman or a Noll, or a Quique tends to bend the judging a bit... Now you have to temper my two cents because Kyle is home boy also... IMHO

Ronster

[Judge]

Known and Unknown portions of the contest are precision aerobatic sequences judged using the current IMAC rules. The Invitational class had several Knowns given to them before the contest. The Unknowns are handed out the day before they are flown.

The Freestyle is actually a separate contest within the main contest. It is a 4-minute anything goes flight where each pilot does his best to wow the judges. Having said that, there ARE criteria for judging.

They are here: http://www.desertaircraft.com/shooto...our-Minute.pdf

As Jason points out, how low you can go is NOT one of them. Having judged more than my fair share of these things I can tell you that simply going low is not enough. The guy who wins is the one who best fulfilled the criteria.

[shannah]

I agree with judge. Sorry dude. But there is actually judging criteria applied to the freestyle. It is broken down into several elements. If you read it, you'll see exactly why QQ is #1.

[Judge]

One more thing. The TOC had criteria as well. While crowd reaction is nice, what counts is the judges.

Case in point. At the last TOC QQ came out of the 3rd figure in his Sunday Unknown in the wrong direction. He then flew the next 8 figures in the wrong direction, earning 8 very nice zeroes. Yet when he landed the crowd went wild since he flew those zeroes so nicely. Point is that the crowd is not really equipped to know the criteria and how to apply them.

So even when 3D first started showing up at the TOC, the guys who were winning were doing so because they fulfilled the criteria better than anyone else. NOT because they flew 3D.

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Jason Noll
	Not completely sure to be honest with you........... The group of about 20 people I was standing with saw it clear as day. No big deal, everybody get's away with one every once in a while. Jason

Everybody needs to REALLY read Jason's last sentence. Embrace what it says and understand that sometimes things will go your way, and other times they won't. But overall they will even out.

I can tell you after being the CD at nearly 30 scale aerobatics contests I NEVER ONCE had a guy come up and tell me that he got scored when he deserved a zero. Want to guess how often I heard pilots complain that they got a 7 when they deserved an 8??

[TonyThomasian]

Keep it up Kyle! I think your flying is the most "jaw dropping" than anyones i've ever seen! I love your precision and 3D flying! The smoothest, most precise flying that i know of! Good Job!

[casey g]

have to agree with ya on that one

	Quote: Originally Posted by TonyThomasian
	Keep it up Kyle! I think your flying is the most "jaw dropping" than anyones i've ever seen! I love your precision and 3D flying! The smoothest, most precise flying that i know of! Good Job!

[Redneck Shaun]

I'm not sure if there is a easy answer here. Yes I do think pilots should be able to compete without risking thier planes from flying so low.

The answer: Hold fast to a nothing under ABOUT(and good luck inforcing the rule) a 20' bottom. Nothing under 20' rule. Now that sounds fine but what happens when there are pilots that want to fly low? What if they want to express their flying by being wide open throttle 1' off the ground?

Yea, I do think they shouldn't have feel they have to fly inches off the ground to place high in the standings. But I don't see how a rule could be implemented to make this happen?
Not a easy answer if you ask me?
Shaun

[RC330LXFlya]

After watching the videos of Kyle and QQ, I would have to disagree with Jason, and while I am not saying Kyle should be in first(thats not my place to take that away from QQ because his flight was awesome too), I dont think your judgement of his low flying is fair. He had just as many precision aspects as QQ, but when they went into their 3D stuff Kyle just got a little lower, is there anything wrong with that? And QQ got pretty low too on a couple maneuvers. You said his performance is more of an airshow performance, so what was different about everyone else's? Just my $.02

btw-nice flying by everyone, and keep it up tomarrow!

[TonyThomasian]

A "young" pilot flying smooth,low,precise, compared to someone who fly's a little bit higher, smooth, and precise. Also just watching Kyle fly with the music, is a different story!!!!! He's just amazing w/ or w/o music!
Everyone's doing a great job, and good luck tommorow.

[RC330LXFlya]

No, I dont think you can be "flexible", that just causes all kinds of problems. You have to judge everyone the same or the whole idea is just out the window.

[rdgood]

OK here ya go...

To be honest - the only thing I am seeing here is that Kyle is a very strong up and com'er in the competitions. Let's clarify another fact - IMHO - Quique,Leesberg and Kyle are the only ones who seem to be able to do the rolling harrier low with extreme control IMHO. Lets face it the rolling harrier - done correctly (with no nose wobble - consistent angle etc...takes 500 flight hrs or more maye be a 1000 hrs to perfect. To me - its probably the hardest manuever in the book.)It just seems that Kyle has the inate ability to do it consistently very low. If he can do it with out touching great! If ya touch the deck - game over.
Thats the rules.

Now just from catching the tone of the recent diatribe so far it seems that there is a bit of resentment towards Kyle's rolling harrier abilities - IMHO. OK thats just competition and we should leave it there.

Now to shore up the other side of the argument - judging - on the whole - not saying that Kyle should be in first - but ya gotta admit there are alot of folks who wish they could fly like him. Give it some time and Kyle will improve and start placing higher as time goes by. If ya ask me the low harrier is definitely his signature manuever - that he was the first to define!!!! Oh I guess you could say - Dare to be different -define yourself , make your mark with your abilities not your words!!! now do ya catch my drift here!!!!


Ronster