A good reason not to buy cheap ARF's

[coaster]

Okay, Just got a reply from the guy who sold it to me...

my email abreviated...

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	Took it down to the field today for it's first flight and after one circuit the wing broke off outboard of the wing joiner slot, There were no aerobatics involved just straight and level flight, The point where it failed was not at the main wing join, it was at a point along the fully built up wing. I am extremely dissapointed as the initial quality of the kit looked quite good, however the build of the wing in this one was obviosly not very good.

His reply...

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	Hi I am sorry to hear that. I sold over 20 of these planes my self and we wholesaling 20 of these planes to North every month. We had Hundreds of good feed back for these planes. Not a signal person been suspicious of the structure or quality of these planes. And these planes have been highly recommended by aero clubs. I am 100% sure with the quality of my product. I crashed almost 60 planes in the last 10 years. I know what kind of hit it required to bend the crankshaft of a OS engine. I am sorry looks like you just having a bad day, I mean that airplanes all about. Sorry again.

What do you think?.

[JeeUm]

I think thats a pretty crappy reply on his part

[Dennis C]

I dont understand the part of selling 20 of these and wholesaling 20....How does that make it a 100 of goodfeed back.

[bryan01601]

I think you need to explain to him the crank was bent on impact due to the fact that the wings we no longer atached to the plane. Try too keep it positive as you will usually have better results that way. Personally I would give him a phone call. Alot of people will take things the wrong way via e-mail. Being involved with an arf manufacturer I understand he probably gets alot of e-mails and it is often tought to sort out the facts via e-mail. Give him a call and let us know the end result.

[rede2fly]

	Quote: Originally Posted by coaster
	Never got a chance to do anything but take off and one and a half circuits!. The wing failed at a point about one third out from the centre. Not the sort of thing you expect on a brand new plane on it's first flight. My PT40 was more than capable of basic aero's with the right pilot. No reason to expect any thing different from this machine. You are right in that a trainer is perhaps not the best thing to be throwing about the sky, but we all have to start somewhere and work our way up to a large scale machine .

i'am sorry i must have misunderstood. i thought that you said the wings almost clapped in a loop. my bad

[Imac Kiwi]

For it to have broken that easily and be that weak, surely you would have picked that up during the wing joining process.

My nephew has one of these and I put one together for a friend. These 2 have been fine. I have looped, rolled and flown both of them round inverted.

Alan

Also a photo of a mate hovering one

[coaster]

As I have stated in several posts, It did not break at the wing join, but at about where the 4 is in your pic. I don't doubt that these are on the whole a good product, But this one was just perhaps not the best example of the breed.

[coaster]

Having talked to the guy that sold it today, He has passed on some pics to the manufacturer and we have talked about getting it replaced, should know within a couple of days . He seems like a genuine guy so we will see how it pans out. Good to hear that others have not had problems with this plane as I am a little reluctant to put my gear in another one when there is really no practical way of checking the structure with out ripping all the covering off(they really do a beautiful job of covering them).

Just have to track down a new crankshaft now, Do you think I need to replace the bearings in the engine or just check them and re-use if they seem okay?.

[bryan01601]

Glad to here he was a littler more concerned with your problems after a phone call. If you talk to him again offer to box up the wings and send them to him that way he can see the issue first hand and make the nessacary corections.

[RollingHarrier]

I would suggest sending the engine back to OS. Their customer service is great. It's the best way to make sure the case isn't cracked or something like that.

	Quote: Originally Posted by coaster
	Having talked to the guy that sold it today, He has passed on some pics to the manufacturer and we have talked about getting it replaced, should know within a couple of days . He seems like a genuine guy so we will see how it pans out. Good to hear that others have not had problems with this plane as I am a little reluctant to put my gear in another one when there is really no practical way of checking the structure with out ripping all the covering off(they really do a beautiful job of covering them). Just have to track down a new crankshaft now, Do you think I need to replace the bearings in the engine or just check them and re-use if they seem okay?.

[main_gears_bent]

Sorry for your loss. I had one of these when I started flying (two years ago this coming may). They have since changed the name of the plane (was FLYING TRAINER) but it is exactly the same as what I had. I had a Tower .46 on it and it was radared at 99 mph (out of about a 35 - 40 degree dive) and I would yank the elevator just to watch the rubber bands stretch and hear the wing slap back down. I "landed" inverted quite a few times, did full throttle touch-and-go's, snaps, you name it. Maybe you did get a lemon (seller should still make it right, no question about that) because the one I had was an excellent plane, covering sucked, but it flew great and took a tremendous amount of abuse having well over twenty gallons of fuel through it in that season (Im amazed that it lived through me learning to fly, let alone the rest of the abuse i put it through). Lots of luck getting it straightened out. Don't give up on this type of plane yet, they do make good ones, and also low wing models that are copies of the Carl Goldberg Tiger II, it flies well also, just a thought.

[coaster]

Good news!, Just got off the phone with the retailer and he is going to replace the plane. Seems I was right and he is one of the good guys!. He is even going to give me a new engine at half price. Really good to hear that others have had good experiences with these planes. Pick up a new plane tommorow and break out the epoxy as soon as I get home!.