Welcome to The FlyingGiants! - please login or click this bar to join our community...

NitroPlanes Giant Scale New Arrivals Sales Nitro Planes Gadgets
 

Welcome to The FlyingGiants Community! We're all about fun, and inside you'll find the greatest, friendliest, and most helpful group of people around! If this is your first time visiting, please check out site, and click here to sign up! We hope to see you soon!!

Go Back   FlyingGiants Forums > General RC Discussions > Aerodynamics


Aerodynamics What makes 'em fly? Designs & technology related to aerodynamics.

Support our Sponsors

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-13-2009, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
Flyin' Around
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3
Skratchbilt is offline
Cool Aileron size

Is there a mathematical soloution to decide the area of a control surface, in conjunction with the wing area? Am turning a large high-wing into a four channel bird.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2009, 11:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
2009 NE Huckfest Huckmeister
 
Wojcigitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Fremont, NH
Age: 23
Posts: 399
Wojcigitty is offline
Default Re: Aileron size

How fast is it going to go? What's the wing loading? What airplane is it? What do you want the airplane to do? All of these determine the size of the aileron; there is no one answer. Try to find something with similar characteristics and copy that.

If it's a high wing that used to be 3-channel, use lots of aileron differential (more up movement than down). Equal throws will probably result in adverse yaw due to higher induced drag on the outside/up wing, leading to aileron ineffectiveness or even reversal. Also mix some rudder to ailerons (start with about 10%).
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2009, 05:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
Flyin' Around
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3
Skratchbilt is offline
Default Re: Aileron size

Thanks, Wojcigitty... I knew there was no formula for full-size crafts, due to the set perameters of certified planes, and reasoning allows the solution you have given. The modified craft mentioned is a Sr Telecaster... was a 3 channel... has way too much dihedral at this time on its 81" wings... I will dismantle the wings, remake the ribs and spars and build a 2% set of wings. The barn door style ailerons will take up 15% of the suface area, so that it will perform as a full-sized version... low and slow. I am not into aerobatics at all. My planes are all for leizure flight. Mixing the rudder in will help, thanks.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2009, 07:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
2009 NE Huckfest Huckmeister
 
Wojcigitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Fremont, NH
Age: 23
Posts: 399
Wojcigitty is offline
Default Re: Aileron size

Cool, the Senior Telemaster is a fun airplane for sure. It will need a lot of aileron differential. Make the ailerons go twice as far up as down, and you should be all set.

Good luck!
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 06:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
Inverted!
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 49
King Snake is offline
Default Re: Aileron size

There is absolutely a formula for full determining aileron size and location for a full scale. Essentially what you are doing is integrating the change in lift for each side of the wing across the entire length of the aileron. Its a little complex but not too bad. In the FS world this formula is usually backed up with CFD.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Does anyone make Aileron Spades for models? rdgood Aerodynamics 49 09-24-2009 07:32 PM
comp arf 35% single aileron servo thaus General Discussions - Giant Scale 1 09-03-2008 09:57 AM
Aileron Servo Setup pcastine General Discussions - Giant Scale 0 08-06-2008 01:16 PM
12x programing: how to set op with 6 aileron and 4 elevator servos rcalbuquerque 2.4 Ghz Spread Spectrum Technology 9 07-28-2008 04:27 PM
Does Size Really Matter? Kiwi Leading Edge Homepage Article Discussions! 35 03-23-2007 10:13 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:03 PM.


  Sitemap :: Contact Us :: Community :: News :: Videos and Photos :: About Us
FlyingGiants, and The Leading Edge, are trademarks of RCGroups.com LLC. All content (c). All rights reserved.
Please view our disclaimer


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0