Svenson Fiseler Storch - cockpit canopy

[casor]

Ray - couple of comments. The RCV engine may not fit in cowl with the intent of keeping the output shaft in the scale location since the Storch's shaft was very high in the cowl. I think Newman uses a V-twin Laser 140 or something which might fit in better. Secondly, I would go with what has been to be a proven engine for the design and focus on making it lighter - put your time into that. There are too many other complexities on this subject to second guess the powerplant. Go with what already works. I knew a 2 stk OS 90 would fly my model with adequate power and with minimum exposure o/s the cowl and Roland Hicks who helped me build mine was right. Roland was "Mr. Storch" (see my ref to a 1980 High flight article) but he passed away last year.

My list includes a "***" as the highlights for must have documentation - it is not highlighted in color. Most of it is still available. The parts book constantly on the web is a piece of junk. It is incomplete and has been photocopied so many times what is there is unreadable. Oscar has the real one. You need the outline so all you need for right now is to focus on what version you want to build - the common "C" version like mine or the "D" or whatever. To do this get three books - the Piekalciewiecz book, and the 2 Squadron pamplets. Make do with these for now for your selection and fill in the rest later. Focus for now on the correct outline only for the version you want to build.

I would also buy the Hasegawa 1/32 scale and the Tamiya 1/48 scale plastic models. The rest are junk. The Revell 1/32 is OK also. The Tamiya model shows the correct ventral fuselage arrangement - get it and you will see. Note that there are very few good, reliable three views out there. Any three view you use should be verified against photographs in one of the above books and or by the kits. Try also to build one that has the tailwheel - my prototype did not so I cheated. You can also call me 610-564-9529 - I am up late
Rob

[casor]

Believe it or not, the Frankfurt airport and the Deutches museum in Munich seem always to have the P-book in stock....try also book search firms such as Aeroplane books and also sources in England.

[casor]

Here's one....

http://www.barbarossabooks.co.uk/ind...x&cPath=16_369

[Raymac]

Yes, good advice.....I have left the engine selection until much later in the build.

OK, I understand your "highlighting" Thanks, Rob.

For now I have decided on one of three examples that I like......

CF HF located in the Duxford War museum. (photo-packs available)
KF XL Fantasy of flight museum USA.
BI BB Collins Foundation, Geneso Usa.

I think they are all MS500 models with basically the same RLM markings. I will probably choose the one that I can find the best photos for. Hopefully, I can find three-views and paint references for this model too.

I have located the Piekalciewiecz book for about $25.00 but I was hoping that someone had scanned the drawings and photos.....the German text wont be of much use. I have found one of the "2 Squadron pamplets" that you mention.....it is #1198. I think the next thing I need is three-views of the above plane from the JG54 "Green Hearts" squadron. I'm not interested in building a plastic model but I wonder if the documentation material from the Hasegawa kit would be usefull and available by itself.

Well.....back to Google!! I guess it will all come together,

Ray

[casor]

Ray - if you want to model an existing Storch, that's fine, however if you are intending on using the same current day, existing full size Storch to be your gospel representative of how Storch's looked when they were in service, be extremely careful. There are so many poorly and inaccurately "restored" WWII aircraft, esp the Storch, you'd think that the guy with the paint brush never looked at a photo. Wrong colors, markings of wrong proportions and in the wrong places, equipment differences, missing pieces - you name it.

If you want to copy that, fine - yours will still be an accurate scale model. I strive to replicate the aircraft as it existed while in service but that's just me. It all depends on what you want to do, but dont fall into the trap of thinking that a current day Storch or anything else accurately depicts the aircraft as it was back in the day. Most do not.

Yes, pick the engine first and then build the model - in fact have all your intended model equipment on hand and then start building. Yes, the P-book is "aus Deutsch", but get it anyway - it is the bible. Buy the plastic models not to build but to use for detail and outline - there are so many subtleties to this plane that the photos dont show.
Rob

[Raymac]

I hear what you are saying about inaccurate restorations Rob, but I would think that the Duxford War Museum people would have a better idea than me as to what the original really looked like. I guess we will see when I can compare the three-views and the Hasegawa stuff with the photos from the Duxford museum. Obviously they will all have to agree with each other in terms of similar detail. How would you set about getting good documentation for the JG54 "Green Hearts" squadron Storch?
Will the "P-book" and/or the hasegawa kit show me this? Seems to me that if I can do enough checking I can have it both ways???
Ray.

[casor]

Ray - both the book and the Has kit show Green Heart squadron aircraft as does the Squadron book. The Has kit with the winter camo Storch on box is a GH squadron a/c.
Rob

[Raymac]

Many thanks for your help Rob......I'll try to collect those pieces of documentation.

Ray.

[casor]

Hey Ray - no problem. It was quite a job assembling all the info on the plane, so I'm glad other modelers can benefit by it. One more comment on the scheme. Dark colors tend to make models look smaller than they really are which is why I tried to do a lighter color scheme. You may therefore want to do a winter scheme, but just a thought here.
Rob

[gene6029]

Casor, i was born & grew up in Pottstown. Been following this thread & was wondering if you were aware there was a full scale storch hangered at the Pottstown limerick airport for years? Dont know what ever happened to it, but i used to play in a BT-13 that was parked in the grass right accross from it when i was a kid. Been thinking of building a warbird & thats what brought me to this thread....i was also a member of Qtown, Swamp Creek, elverson, & tri county ws & the club in Yellow house. Bob Chubb says they are loosing the field in Yellow House..gene

[casor]

Ray - yes we lost our field near Y-house. Will be flying at Gilbertsville and have been a long time member of the Valley Forge club....

I d/n know that there was a Storch in P-town. I have seen a number a real ones - USAF mus, Deutches Mus, Duxford (under resto yrs ago) and a MS Storch with an Argus at the Paul E Garber resto shop in Wash. I schmoozed the tour guide into letting me sit in that one....I think there is or was one in the Frankfurt airport. I also know that there is one in NJ being resto'd and meaning to get over there. I have lived here for yrs but a transplant from Astoria Queens NY and N Jersey - went to school at Villanova and never when back!

FYI, I designed a 46" Storch that was in RC Modeler June 05...pic attd
Rob