Spins -- Final Chapter

All Thumbs · 03-19-2007, 10:10 AM

While at the Bakersfield IMAC contest this weekend, believe it or not, some of us had extensive discussions regarding spins.

We didn't know it at the time, but we all probably learned the "perfect" spin at the age of three or four.

And the answer is in four words:

STOP, DROP AND ROLL!

So there you have it.

Shawn Berkheimer · 03-19-2007, 10:26 AM

John, did you zero any of your spins?

Shawn

All Thumbs · 03-19-2007, 11:00 AM

	Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn Berkheimer
	John, did you zero any of your spins? Shawn

Nope.. But I did pretty crappy in a couple other manuevers.

Shawn Berkheimer · 03-19-2007, 11:12 AM

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Murdoch
	Nope.. But I did pretty crappy in a couple other manuevers.

You flew well, 4 more and you be movin' up

**TheTank** · 03-19-2007, 11:24 AM

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Murdoch
	While at the Bakersfield IMAC contest this weekend, believe it or not, some of us had extensive discussions regarding spins. We didn't know it at the time, but we all probably learned the "perfect" spin at the age of three or four. And the answer is in four words: STOP, DROP AND ROLL! So there you have it.

Hahaha!

All Thumbs · 03-19-2007, 11:35 AM

	Quote: Originally Posted by Shawn Berkheimer
	You flew well, 4 more and you be movin' up

Only three more. I won Phoenix too. But I looked at my IMAC scheduling calendar and noticed I can only fly two more contests this year. Even if I win those two, which is going to be really tough with the competitors that I watched fly this weekend, that only would give me four. I guess I'll just have to try harder next year.

Shawn Berkheimer · 03-19-2007, 11:41 AM

I see how you are now.

Shawn

sweetpea · 03-19-2007, 12:51 PM

I did the "Stop, Drop and Roll" technique.....got 8-9's on all my spins but one.

That one I wasn't stopped and didn't drop, but I sure did roll (ZERO BABY). I had never done a spin so far down before and got confused in the unknown....cost me beating ole' Sportsman forever.

Shawn Berkheimer · 03-19-2007, 01:07 PM

I thought for sure I was going to blow mine in the Unknown. They had us leaving an end box humpty x box outbound then 1 1/2 pos snap, push 1/2 loop with 1 1/2 neg snap at the top and then 1 3/4 spin x box coming in. It hurts just to write it.

Shawn

KrisW · 03-22-2007, 07:18 PM

As promised in the OTHER spin thread. I have uploaded a video of "Spins"

http://www.flyinggiants.com/gallery/...500&ppuser=517

Comments are welcome.

It's 18 minutes long, but covers just about everything except reversing spin direction after a break in the wrong direction.

paffy · 03-22-2007, 09:21 PM

Kris - that's nowhere as bad as I was afraid it might be

The "stall stalling turning turn" is called an autorotation...

You are saying that a nose and wing not dropping at the same time "should be technically zero". The Scale Aerobatics rulebook is very clear on this.

Quote:
When the aircraft stalls,the nose will fall and at the same time the wing tip will drop in the direction of the spin. Failure to achieve this should be considered a “forced entry” and downgraded 0.5 points per 5 degrees of deviation.

So there it is from horses mouth - it's a deduction, not a zero.

I'm not sure if you are trying to instruct people to either release or use down elevator during autorotation. All of those attempts look like zeros in my book, because you stopped autorotation way prior (more than 90° of rotation) to exit of the spin. Gotta love that downline lomcovak/knife edge spin ! I hope you are showing all of that as part of things of what NOT to do !

I have to agree that the first 3 or 4 spins are picture perfect. After that, most common problems are very nicely demonstrated !!

P.S.
I was hoping to see the sudden 180° weathervaning phenomenen on the downwind spins, but instead I heard you saying you have to actively "use rudder" to correct the flight path on the cross wind entry !!! What a disappointment

3D Shredder · 03-22-2007, 10:28 PM

Thanks that cleared up alot of conusion. Thanks.

03-19-2007, 10:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
All Thumbs Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 382	Spins -- Final Chapter While at the Bakersfield IMAC contest this weekend, believe it or not, some of us had extensive discussions regarding spins. We didn't know it at the time, but we all probably learned the "perfect" spin at the age of three or four. And the answer is in four words: STOP, DROP AND ROLL! So there you have it. __________________ REMEMBER The main thing, Is to keep the main thing, The main thing. Last edited by All Thumbs; 03-19-2007 at 10:20 AM.

03-19-2007, 10:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
Shawn Berkheimer Put some Bling on that thing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Jose CA Posts: 644	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter John, did you zero any of your spins? Shawn

03-19-2007, 11:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Shawn Berkheimer Put some Bling on that thing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Jose CA Posts: 644	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter I see how you are now. Shawn

03-19-2007, 12:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
sweetpea Mythbuster-- the early years Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Whidbey Island, WA Age: 33 Posts: 4,404 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter I did the "Stop, Drop and Roll" technique.....got 8-9's on all my spins but one. That one I wasn't stopped and didn't drop, but I sure did roll (ZERO BABY). I had never done a spin so far down before and got confused in the unknown....cost me beating ole' Sportsman forever. __________________ ___SPONSORS____________________My Home Field_____ ___________

03-19-2007, 01:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shawn Berkheimer Put some Bling on that thing Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Jose CA Posts: 644	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter I thought for sure I was going to blow mine in the Unknown. They had us leaving an end box humpty x box outbound then 1 1/2 pos snap, push 1/2 loop with 1 1/2 neg snap at the top and then 1 3/4 spin x box coming in. It hurts just to write it. Shawn


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03-22-2007, 07:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
KrisW Eccentricus Magnus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Age: 50 Posts: 3,339	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter As promised in the OTHER spin thread. I have uploaded a video of "Spins" http://www.flyinggiants.com/gallery/...500&ppuser=517 Comments are welcome. It's 18 minutes long, but covers just about everything except reversing spin direction after a break in the wrong direction. __________________ KrisW *"Mediocrity is doing it THEIR way"* It's 20% Plane, 5% Engine, and 75% Practice, practice, Practice . . .Excuse me, I'm off to the field. http://www.modelaircraftengineering.com BME Repair and Modifications Guru

03-22-2007, 09:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
paffy Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ozone Park,NY Posts: 919 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter Kris - that's nowhere as bad as I was afraid it might be The "stall stalling turning turn" is called an autorotation... You are saying that a nose and wing not dropping at the same time "should be technically zero". The Scale Aerobatics rulebook is very clear on this. Quote: When the aircraft stalls,the nose will fall and at the same time the wing tip will drop in the direction of the spin. Failure to achieve this should be considered a “forced entry” and downgraded 0.5 points per 5 degrees of deviation. So there it is from horses mouth - it's a deduction, not a zero. I'm not sure if you are trying to instruct people to either release or use down elevator during autorotation. All of those attempts look like zeros in my book, because you stopped autorotation way prior (more than 90° of rotation) to exit of the spin. Gotta love that downline lomcovak/knife edge spin ! I hope you are showing all of that as part of things of what NOT to do ! I have to agree that the first 3 or 4 spins are picture perfect. After that, most common problems are very nicely demonstrated !! P.S. I was hoping to see the sudden 180° weathervaning phenomenen on the downwind spins, but instead I heard you saying you have to actively "use rudder" to correct the flight path on the cross wind entry !!! What a disappointment __________________ ---- BASF - We don't make the products you buy, we make them more expensive.

03-22-2007, 10:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
3D Shredder Flyin' Around Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Space Camp Posts: 17	Re: Spins -- Final Chapter Thanks that cleared up alot of conusion. Thanks.

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