IMAC Points???

[Al Lewis]

I totally agree and plan to attend the next one nearby.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	Sorry I disagree with you here.........that is like saying you are seeded #1 in the TAS with points so you shouldn't have to show up to fly the TAS, you should auto win it. The last contest in the SW is the the Regional Championship. Its an attempt to make the last contest more prestigous than the others. I.E......an attempt to get the best in the Region to all come together and compete against each other. I feel your pain for not being able to make it, but I think the rule is a pretty good one.

It's a good rule, but it's not fair, lol! I don't want to change it - I am just bummed that I won't be able to make it.

[bodywerks]

Al, DEFINITELY take about 99.9% of EVERYTNING you read/see on the internet with a grain of salt. The only people that don't have a good time at an IMAC contest are the ones that don't show up! Even guys that I see moping around after dropping from a good position in their class to dead last, or guys that complain about the judges in their class all weekend, still have a good time.

[alec taylor]

i agree. one rule world wide. no pandering to special interest groups. if you cant or wont abide by the imac rules, dont bother showing up and waisting my time. alex

[GoldenEagle]

Well guys, I have been following this thread and chewing on my tongue (or fingers) to keep from tossing in snappy responses to some of what I've read. But, when I see that CD's are not following the published contest rules and that Regional Directors are not willing to enforce those rules, I feel very disheartened about the direction we are allowing IMAC to go. Restrictive entries and "special" rules allowed for a select few do more harm to the grassroots of our organization than the organizers are willing to admit.

The IMAC contest guidelines clearly state that ALL contests MUST follow ALL of the rules in that document in order for regional points to be awarded and that they cannot even be called "IMAC" contests if they don't. My conversations with a member of the national IMAC BOD confirms this and I have received assurances that actions will be taken to enforce these rules. Of course, the BOD cannot prevent anyone offering a contest from doing anything they dream up, but the approval for awarding regional points and listing as a legitimate IMAC contest can be withheld. And, just to be exact, "AMA sanctioned" is not an excuse to ignore the IMAC guidelines.

If we want IMAC to continue its' growth, especially among the new folks who may get the impression they will get less than fair consideration in our contests, this has got to be resolved.

On another question recented posted, awarding additional points according to the number of pilots that attend is already hurting smaller contests. We have had withdrawals from this season's preregistrations because of pilots at the top levels being unwilling to attend a small contest. Again, from where support is needed the most - retaining contests and pilots in areas that have fewer IMAC members - we request action from our leadership necessary to correct the situation.

Chris Tomberlin
SE ARD Alabama
IMAC

[ifly3d]

Imac is all about the having fun and improving your skills.

[Radioactive]

Ifly3d, and ALL... That's is so right on brother!!! FUN... not squablying about "maybe crap", or i heard this or that etc,
So let me make it very clear for you, If you don't abide by a rules, and regs you CAN NOT count a contest for points. Currently there is a Contest standard guide in print, that refers to a standard imac contest.. which is a saturday, and sunday. (note two days). Now if a cd is willing to do the extra work, and a club grants a three day event, awesome mpore power to them..then it's a three day, i find no standard three day contest guide anywhere... so with that....the triple tree(three day contest) contests stands as is, with points counting for towards the SE Regional points. Done deal!!!
If this ruling bothers you, please stepup, and run for RD next term and change the rules, which are currently under review, and up for change, by the rules, and regs comm. It takes constructive work to do this, and effort for all to get along and work together for the benefit of any cause or organiztion.
Clover Creek Aerodrome contest, a new premiere Venue will NOT Count for Points.We're very excited to have a new world class event, that can only enhance imac.This decison was carefully arrived at, and throughly thought out. Hope everyone gets back to Flying and having fun , because alot of folks are, and i intend to do the same. See you out there on the road...

[GoldenEagle]

Thanks for the note Don. The rules seem easy enough for all to read at:
http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/03,%20IMAC%20Rules%20and%20Guidelines/Current/IMAC_Official_Contest_Guide_Rev_2.pdf

One question though, with the statement "For IMAC events encompassing three or more days and/or having an unusually large ratio of Known sequences flown to Unknown sequences flown, see Appendix A for schedule of dropped sequences. Requirements and Contest Template Sections remain basically the same for multiple day events." doesn't the requirement "12. All Unknowns will be made available to pilots on the day prior to when they will be flown." still apply?

I certainly don't want TT to lose its regional points (I plan to get some there myself), I just want to know how we'll fly unknowns on all three days without getting the first day's unknown the day before. I'm sure it can be worked out to all's satisfaction. Not being "squably" just asking if it's OK.

Chris

[Zee]

Chris,
I think same thing is working fine at AMA/IMAC nat's.
Zee

[Radioactive]

No problem Chris, and ALL...Speak to stan when you arrive and thursday night he can/or may provide you with your unknown.Also the standard contest guide in print is an attempt to standardize, and allow pilots to have an idea of what a contest consists of . I do know that there are several contradicting statements among the archives, and certain publications. So for now, because the AMA is quoting me it's up to the CD, and IMAC is a SIG under AMA rules, and until the rules and reg comm, can clearly state this, and empathecially declare it as a breach of rules, my Decision stands. Please be advised ..Stan has communicated his immediate wish to a TOTAL CANCELATION of TRIPLE TREE , if more issues,squables, etc continue to happen. At some point a contest isn't worth the Aggravation!
So lets have a great contest, bring your A game, and grab some wood!

[Stan Stockman]

Don,
As per our conversation this morning and as per RULE BOOK 16.3.a (page GR-10)

UNKNOWNS will flown each day. The Friday unknown will be handed out at the pilots meeting and NOT before. This is per the rule book.

STAN STOCKMAN
My first post on this site!

[Zee]

This is kind of funny how some people will react.
Tucson Aerobatic Shut Out is great stand alone invintational event here in South West it has never been part of the S.W. Regional point series, and you never hear the organisers of the event whining that the event is not part of the S.W. regionals.
There are many reasons for not being part of the S.W. point series. Here are few, it is invintational contest only, Entry fee's are $200-300.00 range (way out of IMAC contest norm) Basic class not included, I am sure there is more reasons than the above.
Tucson Aerobatic Shut Out, is a Class act on its own and the people that are putting it on are first class also, and they can be proud of their sucess.
It is just like TOC, that never been part of S.W. Regional points.
Zee