IMAC Points???

[Downhumpty]

	Quote: Originally Posted by tony-amps
	I must disagree with you. The registration process was not even closely similar to the way things have been done in the past. We normally post our contest on the regional site with plenty of time for people in the region to decide if they want to go . As you noted you new beforehand. RFC RFA its a typo does it matter ? tony

Tony, your right! The ones that were in attendance at the GA. contest were the first to know that there may be a contest in Toone, TN. The ones that Blog as I have done all day today on FG knew when he made the announcement on a newly posted thread here on FG. However, Joe had an email blast sent out to ever IMAC member of how and when to register for this great event. He did this to make everyone aware of this at the same time. With the contest being limited to a certain number of pilots per class I'm assuming he saw this as the only fair way.

On another note I like the SE IMAC home page / contest calendar. I us it wisely and check it daily. So, do you think if Joe had put it on the web site and not said anything that pilots could accumulate points at the Clover Creek Contest to use toward the point race?

Yes on the RFA, On lookers that have no idea what a RFA is will be looking for the wrong information.

Kent Porter

[tony-amps]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Downhumpty
	Tony, your right! The ones that were in attendance at the GA. contest were the first to know that there may be a contest in Toone, TN. The ones that Blog as I have done all day today on FG knew when he made the announcement on a newly posted thread here on FG. However, Joe had an email blast sent out to ever IMAC member of how and when to register for this great event. He did this to make everyone aware of this at the same time. With the contest being limited to a certain number of pilots per class I'm assuming he saw this as the only fair way. On another note I like the SE IMAC home page / contest calendar. I us it wisely and check it daily. So, do you think if Joe had put it on the web site and not said anything that pilots could accumulate points at the Clover Creek Contest to use toward the point race? Yes on the RFA, On lookers that have no idea what a RFA is will be looking for the wrong information. Kent Porter

Kent,

As you said in an earlier post this was not the reason for withholding points from this contest.
I do feel it would have been fairer for all the southeast pilots if it had been posted and announced through the normal channels. An email blast was not one of the normal channels nor was the early announcement here on FG.

tony

[GoldenEagle]

Sorry Kent,

I've tried hard to keep this about applying the rules only and to not address specific contests or get personal in any way. But the truth hurts.

The email did not make it to everyone. I'm a current member in good standing with all the correct contact info posted (not changed in years) - I didn't get it and I've had others tell me the same. Anyone that works with computers and email enough knows that a mass-emailing is not fool-proof and often fails to reach everyone.

But come on, about 9am on a Tuesday morning an email gets sent out that at 12 noon that same day that you have to compete against hundreds to get your registration in, and it's over in an hour or so. It's funny too that now the post announcing the exact time of the "Email Blast" and several others have been deleted from the original thread: Clover Creek Aerodrome Invitational IMAC Contest. What's to hide?

The event wasn't even listed on the Official SE IMAC Contest Calendar that night - I checked after someone called me and told me about this going on on FG.

What's wrong with asking for a fair process that gives everyone plenty of time to know about the contest, going through the proper channels to list it on the IMAC schedule first, expecting a fair shake from the organizers, and following the IMAC rules.

CC will be a great event and I know that John is a fine, well intentioned guy to be commended for bringing it about.

As for me, I'm just going flying with my buds and remember why I got into IMAC in the first place.

Chris

[Downhumpty]

	Quote: Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
	Sorry Kent, I've tried hard to keep this about applying the rules only and to not address specific contests or get personal in any way. But the truth hurts. The email did not make it to everyone. I'm a current member in good standing with all the correct contact info posted (not changed in years) - I didn't get it and I've had others tell me the same. Anyone that works with computers and email enough knows that a mass-emailing is not fool-proof and often fails to reach everyone. But come on, about 9am on a Tuesday morning an email gets sent out that at 12 noon that same day that you have to compete against hundreds to get your registration in, and it's over in an hour or so. It's funny too that now the post announcing the exact time of the "Email Blast" and several others have been deleted from the original thread: Clover Creek Aerodrome Invitational IMAC Contest. What's to hide? The event wasn't even listed on the Official SE IMAC Contest Calendar that night - I checked after someone called me and told me about this going on on FG. What's wrong with asking for a fair process that gives everyone plenty of time to know about the contest, going through the proper channels to list it on the IMAC schedule first, expecting a fair shake from the organizers, and following the IMAC rules. CC will be a great event and I know that John is a fine, well intentioned guy to be commended for bringing it about. As for me, I'm just going flying with my buds and remember why I got into IMAC in the first place. Chris

Well..... I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Until we meet again.. Safe flying! I have an airplane to assemble. Alex will have a new ride for the NAT'S. Yawl come to Butcherfest II. We will be opening up a can of happiness! With some good ole' fashion karaoke. See yawl on the road.

Kent Porter

[xtra330]

Well, I guess its my turn.

First and foremost, I am personally offended by some of the posts people have made, as well as their actions regarding the Clover Creek Aerodrome. I have addressed this issue once before from the very beginning. Obviously, a few people are upset and hurt by the way we chose to announce the event. I can't believe some of the words that are being said by 'friends', people I have flown with for quite a few years now.

The arguments that are now taking place is 'water under the bridge'. There is nothing that can be done regarding the way we announced the contest - let it go. If you have concerns, thoughts, or ideas for the way the next event should be handled, please send them to me via e-mail. Everybody's opinions or thoughts will be considered, there is no reason to be ugly about this. The only thing we can do now, is to pick up the pieces and move on. Preparing for a bigger and better event in the future.

Let's be realistic for a moment. There is no way to fit an Invitational Class with IMAC classes that have no cap, not in three days. As everyone knows, we could have easily hit over 100 registered pilots for this event....on one flight line? Come on guys. A cap on the number of registered pilots was put in place because of this - the only reason!

About Points - personally, I don't care about points. I never have...that's my opinion (yes, I am entitled to it). But, now....the people who are registered for this contest are now having to be penalized for somebody's views and opinions. I honestly can't believe that somebody would go this far with it....for points? Here again, if this is something that bothers you, it should have been brought to the CD's attention, the CD would have carried it to the RD, then the IMAC BOD - if it had to go that far. Discussions would have been made for any future contests, addendums suggested or made for the rules and guidelines. It should have stopped there. But now, all of this is for the world to see....what a way to promote IMAC.

EVERYBODY is in a continous learning curve in life. We all can learn from this. Right now, we need to quit all this arguing and bickering. We need all the support we can get to make this event grow. Put your hurt feelings aside, man up and support this event like you should. Bickering like this is doing nothing, absolutely nothing. Instead, share your ideas and thoughts (via e-mail to me, the CD), with ways we can all improve this event for the future. This event was created by a group of individuals who are passionate about IMAC and whose only intention was to use the event to take IMAC to the next level and create an ongoing event we can all celebrate and be proud of. Again, please email suggestions on ways we can improve directly to the CD in order to keep this a positive event for all. I am done monitoring this thread--all future communications should be sent via email.

Respectfully,

[flyin woodbutcher]

What Joe said. Well said, you can't please everyone . All you can do is try. I'm going to Clover Creek and am going to have a blast.

Thanks for the hard work and effort Joe.

FWB

[Jcarte]

Oh so that's why the points aren't going to count. Its just sad that someone stooped so low to wine about such a great event because he missed out.


Joe, good post.

Will you email me my unknowns now since I am a bottom feeder.

[prizzy]

Kent's asking for opinions!

I am doing the website for the clover creek event, and with that I in regular communication with the organizers. All I can say is, "Thank you very much to John, Joe, Stan, and Wayne!" I know there are others that I missed, sorry. These guys are having to listen to so much negativity, I cannot believe. So maybe the way the registration was set up could have been better, and I am sure that next time it will be, but like Joe said, it's water under the bridge. They are working their tails off for hours and hours a day to put this thing together, and should be commended for it. John is putting his money where his mouth is, and is doing one hell of an altruistic thing. The folks that are complaining about the registration aught to step up and organize their own contest of this scale, and improve on the mistakes instead of telling others what should have been. All the flack they are taking is why so few good people are willing to put up with the crap and move IMAC forward.
As far as the points. It is pretty much a no brainer as far as I am concerned. They should not count. Not all classes are present, everyone that wants to go can't, getting in depended on timing, spam settings on your inbox could have caused you not to get the e-mail, and who is going for the points anyway. This can't be compared to, "Why then should the regionals points count", because that is the superbowl, and what everyone work toward. The standards are laid out at the beginning of the year, and there are not surprises. Number 11 in the points standings will not be knocked down or move up because of regionals.
Hopefully the strife being shown here is temporary, and most folks will see it for what it is, a damn good step for IMAC.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	I thought I saw someone post that the points issue, pertaining to getting points for beating non-imac competitors, that or points have been added back on the IMAC website. Did I miss this, or read it somewhere else, because my points still do not give me credit for the all contestants I beat.

Nick,

Yes. It has been corrected here in the NC region.
Pilots get points for beating non IMAC members.

[Radioactive]

Prizzy, and ALL... THks for your input.. I don't know how to better say this, as i already have , but to make it clear.Myself, EVERYONE i've spoken too , and the Entire IMAC BOD, and RD's.. Support, and think the Clover Creek Contest is the best thing since Sliced Bread!!
Please understand, as Pride, and many others have stated,the points simply will not go towards the regionals, this doesn't effect the contest in any way shape or form. This decison is not driven by the folks who couldn't register, it's a no BRAINER! As for open regionals, i'm just carrying on with almost ten years of tradition here in the SE, with the additon of basic last year.
So as far as i'm concerned all is good, and moving on with a great season, and looking forward to a GREAT NATS, Clover Creek Aerodrome, and the regionals down the road.
Now back to your regularly schedule topics.................

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	Nick, Yes. It has been corrected here in the NC region. Pilots get points for beating non IMAC members.

Ah, ok - that's what I saw then. It still isn't changed back in the SW points standings. For the sake of those that are competing for a SW regional points championship (I won't be one of them since I won't be able to make the final SW contest in Vegas), I do hope it gets fixed.

[Radioactive]

Here in the SE, this was detected early on, and our Webmasters Miles, and Pride, corrected it with 24hrs, and i know the BOD sent out a corrected version of the Program as well. The one "fly in the ointment" is, if a non imac memeber is flying, this creates aot of extra work for the data entry.