IMAC Points???

[toc pilot]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	Here's another scenario: What if a non-IMAC member wins in your class and you place second to them - do you get 1,000 points or 978 points? What does third place get?

If you place 3rd in an IMAC event and the first two people are non-IMAC people, you get 1000 points. You will also get 5 points for anyone who finishes 4th place or lower. All points will be based off your 1000 score, the top two people do not exsist in the point series. If the 5th place finisher was non-IMAC, you would still get 5 points because you beat him in the event, his 5 points still counts because he was a contestant thay you beat. You did not beat the top 2 people so you can not claim their points.

Here is where it gets confusing, Andrew Jesky beat me in El Paso, this is a SC event but is listed n the SW events, this contest counts towards the SW point series. Andrew Jesky won the event and recieved 1000 points, I normalized a 978 or something.... so, he gets 1000 points in the SW region points series race, after checking the SC region, I am not even listed. I think this sucks.

IMO, I believe if you declare a region to compete for the point series, your points can only be accululated in that region. Andrew Jesky's points should not count in the SW series at all. They should count in the SC if that contest was on their scheduled event for the point series. Where is my 1000 points? lol.

Bill Hempel

[ifly3d]

The other problem is that if you live by where there are only small contest, and you place good at them you still may not make the regionals because of other contest that have large turn outs at them, in your same region.

[Judge]

I am still mystified on why beating 5 people gets you more points than beating 3. The quality of flying required to win has nothing to do with the number of people in a contest.

Example. Take a contest with 4 pilots. First to 4th are separated by say 50 normalized points.

Now take another contest with say 10 guys in the class. But this time first to 4th are separated by 150 normalized points. But the pilot at the large contest gets more points than the pilot at the smaller contest.

What this system really does is prejudice the points system against pilots who do not have ,or cannot travel to, large contests.

What it really says is that everyone has an equal chance of winning a contest and the more pilots you beat the better you flew. That is simply not true. It depends on WHO you beat, not how MANY you beat.

[Judge]

I'll add that the best system I know of takes the normalized scores from a contest and sums them up for the year. Then normalize that total against the top guy to see how it sorts out.

This way a guy who is consistently at say 98% of the class winner beats out another second place guy someplace else who never gets closer than 80% of the class winner.

Under the current system the pilot in the second case gets the same, and possibly more, points that the guy who is always right on the heels of the class winner.

The points needs to reflect actual piloting skill, not some fluke of how many guys show up at a contest.

[Downhumpty]

	Quote: Originally Posted by toc pilot
	If you place 3rd in an IMAC event and the first two people are non-IMAC people, you get 1000 points. You will also get 5 points for anyone who finishes 4th place or lower. All points will be based off your 1000 score, the top two people do not exsist in the point series. If the 5th place finisher was non-IMAC, you would still get 5 points because you beat him in the event, his 5 points still counts because he was a contestant thay you beat. You did not beat the top 2 people so you can not claim their points. Here is where it gets confusing, Andrew Jesky beat me in El Paso, this is a SC event but is listed n the SW events, this contest counts towards the SW point series. Andrew Jesky won the event and recieved 1000 points, I normalized a 978 or something.... so, he gets 1000 points in the SW region points series race, after checking the SC region, I am not even listed. I think this sucks. IMO, I believe if you declare a region to compete for the point series, your points can only be accululated in that region. Andrew Jesky's points should not count in the SW series at all. They should count in the SC if that contest was on their scheduled event for the point series. Where is my 1000 points? lol. Bill Hempel

Bill, With due respect, please tell us where you found this in the rules? I have read these rules more than ten times... this week! and I can not find what you are referring to.

It is my understanding that...
Non IMAC member, 1 ST place 1000.00
Non IMAC member 2 ND place 992.45
IMAC member, 3 RD place 990.67

3 RD place IMAC member carries 991.0 to his/her Region for the Points Series Challenge.

If there are 15 contestants, the 3 RD place IMAC member carries 1051 to the Points series Challenge.

12 pilots(4 TH to 15) X 5 bonus points = 60

991 + 60 = 1051

Hope this helps and is not confusing.

Kent Porter
SE ARD
North Carolina

www.mini-iac.com

[Fixed Wing]

	Quote: Originally Posted by toc pilot
	...after checking the SC region, I am not even listed. I think this sucks. Bill Hempel

How do you know you're not listed? Nothing has been posted yet in SC showing 2008 accumulated point totals. Only last year's final standings are shown on SC's portion of the IMAC web pages.

[Zee]

Kent Porter has it right. Before you guys starting to put in your own ideas, please read the rules first.
If the contest is not run by the rules, than you can make protest.
Another way to cure your own frustrations is, JOIN IMAC, it is only $20.00 year.
As far as scoring in the contest is: Firtst place pilot getts first place IMAC member or not. Only thing is that IMAC non member does not have his score counted for regional point series.
I also think that this unified regional point series rules are the best we have up to now.
Former S.W. Regional Director.
Zee

[Zee]

Bill, read the rules you are allowed two contests out of region and the points should count to your regional series. Talk to Ken Gregory, our Regional Director.
Zee

[mflander]

Bill: straight from the rules: A competitor may receive points for his/her region, as well as two contests outside of his or her region. The AMA Scale Aerobatics NATS may count as one of the out of region contests.

[1bwana1]

How about we have Super Delegates sort it all out at a National convention at the end of the year. LOL!

[B*tch SlapingMama]

Seems no one has yet answered the initial question...

If John Doe is NOT an IMAC member and wins for example 5 contests....
Places 2nd in a couple, and 3rd in 4.....

At the end of the season, John decides to join IMAC. So the question is....do all of Johns points PRIOR to him joing IMAC count toward the regional championship OR just the points he earns since joining ?

[Downhumpty]

	Quote: Originally Posted by B*tch SlapingMama
	Seems no one has yet answered the initial question... If John Doe is NOT an IMAC member and wins for example 5 contests.... Places 2nd in a couple, and 3rd in 4..... At the end of the season, John decides to join IMAC. So the question is....do all of Johns points PRIOR to him joing IMAC count toward the regional championship OR just the points he earns since joining ?

Sorry! You answer is here! Second sentence.
http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=58

Everyone interested in IMAC should think strongly about attending an IMAC Flying and Judging Seminar. It does not have to be in your Region! IMAC has standardized! All rules apply, Internationally.

Respectfully,

Kent Porter
SE ARD
North Carolina