IMAC Points???

[psk560]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	I am still mystified on why beating 5 people gets you more points than beating 3. The quality of flying required to win has nothing to do with the number of people in a contest. What it really says is that everyone has an equal chance of winning a contest and the more pilots you beat the better you flew. That is simply not true. It depends on WHO you beat, not how MANY you beat.

Judge,

I've been asking this question to the IMAC officers for over two months and I have not received a response yet. It is frustrating...

Craig

[Zee]

Judge and Craig, You can write in rule change proposal and if majority will agree with you than rules can change. Now if it is two or three people that don't like this rule, well get use to it.
I my self do not like normalising, but majority does so be it. Now this calculating the extra points for how many pilots you finished ahead has been in most of regions in different form for many years.
Zee

[toc pilot]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Fixed Wing
	How do you know you're not listed? Nothing has been posted yet in SC showing 2008 accumulated point totals. Only last year's final standings are shown on SC's portion of the IMAC web pages.

I checked and as you said, nothing has been posted.

BH

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Zee
	Kent Porter has it right. Before you guys starting to put in your own ideas, please read the rules first. If the contest is not run by the rules, than you can make protest. Another way to cure your own frustrations is, JOIN IMAC, it is only $20.00 year. As far as scoring in the contest is: Firtst place pilot getts first place IMAC member or not. Only thing is that IMAC non member does not have his score counted for regional point series. I also think that this unified regional point series rules are the best we have up to now. Former S.W. Regional Director. Zee

I AM an IMAC member and I did read the rules on scoring and I did post, word for word, the way the rule was written pertaining to getting points for beating contestants. In simple terms, it says you get 5 points for every contestant you beat. It DOES NOT say that those pilots that you beat need to be IMAC members in order for you, the IMAC member, to get points for beating them. However, the way the points are showing up right now, we are only getting points for other IMAC members that I beat. Thankfully, we are only talking about 4-5 non-IMAC members right now and about 25 points for me.
It is really just an interesting topic of discussion for me at this point...

[toc pilot]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Downhumpty
	Bill, With due respect, please tell us where you found this in the rules? I have read these rules more than ten times... this week! and I can not find what you are referring to. It is my understanding that... Non IMAC member, 1 ST place 1000.00 Non IMAC member 2 ND place 992.45 IMAC member, 3 RD place 990.67 3 RD place IMAC member carries 991.0 to his/her Region for the Points Series Challenge. If there are 15 contestants, the 3 RD place IMAC member carries 1051 to the Points series Challenge. 12 pilots(4 TH to 15) X 5 bonus points = 60 991 + 60 = 1051 Hope this helps and is not confusing. Kent Porter SE ARD North Carolina www.mini-iac.com

Well, I read the rules and ASSUMED a few things. I thought my common-sense was sufficient but I guess I am incorrect.

My reasoning: The "point series" event is an IMAC function for the different regions, not an AMA function. In order to earn points, I assumed you had to be an IMAC member!? Why else would anyone join IMAC if not to participate in IMAC events/race? If this is not the case maybe I should get my $20.00 back from IMAC?

Now, I have witnessed that some unlimited pilots were competing and were not current IMAC members. After the first 2 contests, their points were not counting in the point series. Their names wer posted but greyed out. After the 3rd IMAC contest I saw that their membership was renewed and they received the original points from the previous 2-months contest, "IMO" this should not have happend. I think, we should get these rules straightened out so there is no confusion.

B.Hempel

PS-I appologize to all for making false statments as facts and using comon sense with the rules.

[Zee]

Bill, that is wrong and the point series rule has it very clear the points awarded to the pilot will be from the time he join IMAC, NOT retroactive.
And Bill, you assuming right, you need to be IMAC member to participate in the Regional point series.
Zee

[Bob S]

After reading the rules here is what it seems like to me. Take the final standings and apply the normalization, add in the bonuses and get the total points for each pilot. Then discard the scores for everyone that is not currently an IMAC member.

The only points rule that applies to being an IMAC member or not is if the points count. The method for calculating the points is not based on membership.

So it seems there are a few rules violations going on in that Nick didn't get all of his points counted and Bill has seen (previously) non-members get points added retroactively.

[Wayne]

Ok...
Now I am confused. (not a big surprise)
We just had our first competition last weekend.
Kurt won and he beat 8 pilots.
Shouldnt his score be 1040??

I thought number of pilots beat is counted regardless whether those pilots are IMAC members or not??

I came in second and beat 7 pilots so dont I get to add 35 points to my normalized score?

[Bob S]

The way the rules are written, yes you are correct Wayne. The 3 non-IMAC members do not earn points but they still count as pilots beat.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bob S
	The way the rules are written, yes you are correct Wayne. The 3 non-IMAC members do not earn points but they still count as pilots beat.

Hey Bob,

So the points posted on that page are not correct?
Kurt should have a 1040.00 and I should have a 1009.13?
Is that how you see it?

[Al Lewis]

From the looks of the score sheet I'd say you didn't get points for the last three. None of whom are IMAC members evidently. So do the non-members still get the trophy if they win an IMAC event? LOL This is my first year to join IMAC with the intent of maybe flying in basic and I have to tell you I was really upset to find that you didn't have to be a member to compete. Had I known that I would have kept my $20.00 and just signed up for one or two events knowing I wasn't going to do well on my first year. After reading some of these threads it would seem that no one seems to be using the same rule book. We've got people talking about flying unknowns in Basic. Hell, I don't know the knowns yet!!

[ifly3d]

Wayne did those guys show up and compete ??? If so yes you should get the points.

Josh