IMAC Points???

[Dan_nO]

Ok Bob, thats clear now as to Tucson for us. Since Tucson is listed as a contest on the SW Regions contest calander just as any other IMAC contest on their list, does it count for any other region or does the same rules apply to and for everyone ?

[Bob S]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rcflier
	Furthermore, since the ( NC) Regional final contest is designated as "The season Final" IT IS the season final!!

The rule read such that points are counted until Dec 32. So you may not have everyones total until then or at least until the last contest of the year is flown across all of the regions.

	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan_nO
	Ok Bob, thats clear now as to Tucson for us. Since Tucson is listed as a contest on the SW Regions contest calander just as any other IMAC contest on their list, does it count for any other region or does the same rules apply to and for everyone ?

The shootout doesn't count for any regional points including SW because it doesn't follow the IMAC standards for the "Contest Template - 3. Entry is open to all current AMA members.".

[Professor]

This also brings up another issue regarding the Clover Creek Contest and whether or not the Unlimited class should count towards regional points... This contest has an Invitational class. Pilots invited to fly in the Invitational class did not have the opportunity to sign up and fly in Unlimited. So should pilots in Unlimited be able to get more points at this event even though there are another 15 pilots in Invitational that might do reasonably well in Unlimited if they had the opportunity? It doesn't matter to me at all, but is an interesting point for discussion with the new standardized regional point system.

Another situation I have been wondering about are the events in some regions (mainly SW) that cap the number of pilots at an event (I guess this also includes the Clover Creek event for all classes). As an example, Wayne told us that he was hitting the refresh button for the contest pre-registration every 1 or 2 seconds to make sure he got into the event. Obviously this does not allow everyone to fly in a contest. Should contests with a cap count towards regional points if the contest is not really open to all that want to compete for a regional championship (the regional points championship could simply be decided based upon the person with the fastest internet connection or the fastest mouse clicking refresh capability)???
Maybe the lawyers need to get involved to tighten up the language for the IMAC Regional Points System

	Quote: Originally Posted by rcflier
	Tucson is an "invitational" (by qualitfying points) contest. As such not all IMAC competitors will have the priviledge to attend and compete. No, Tucson will not count in the North Central Chamionship Points total. Furthermore, since the ( NC) Regional final contest is designated as "The season Final" IT IS the season final!!

Quote from Wayne:
The new point system allows for two contests outside your region.
Mine will be the Nats and The Clover Creek contest.
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[Dan_nO]

Dang Professor, maybe you need to retire from what your teaching and teach law classes lol.

I see what your talking about and didnt think about it before as to the Clover Creek contest, it wouldnt seem fair to allow the points from that contest to count as its not an open contest per say like the NATS to where anyone can register and show up and fly and there is no limit put on the contest as to how many pilots can fly in it. It wouldnt be fair for Clover Creek to count for the points I dont think.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Extra260
	Wait, so if I placed 9th at tucson imac out of 14 and I am not an imac member how many points do I receive???

0 - join IMAC!!!

[Extra260]

I get no points for that comp??? Even towards the shootout??? This is rediculous. At least I learned alot. Last year I participated in a comp and got first and had 21 points in my region. I wasnt an imac member then. So basically everyone that goes to the shootout is an imac member???

[Professor]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Extra260
	I get no points for that comp??? Even towards the shootout??? This is rediculous. At least I learned alot. Last year I participated in a comp and got first and had 21 points in my region. I wasnt an imac member then. So basically everyone that goes to the shootout is an imac member???

I don't believe the Shootout staff have posted the criteria for how pilots will be selected for 2008. In the past years the Tucson Shootout points system had absolutely nothing to do with the regional points system. The Shootout points system did not require you to be an IMAC member.
Maybe someone from the 2008 Tucson Shootout organization committee can comment on the selection process this year.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan_nO
	I see what your talking about and didnt think about it before as to the Clover Creek contest, it wouldnt seem fair to allow the points from that contest to count as its not an open contest per say like the NATS to where anyone can register and show up and fly and there is no limit put on the contest as to how many pilots can fly in it. It wouldnt be fair for Clover Creek to count for the points I dont think.

I agree.

Kurt made some good points about that specific event.

[Zee]

Mike, You did not have regional points if you not IMAC member. This has been in SW regional point system for many years.
Don't confuse IMAC Regional points with Tucson Shut Out. TSO is not regular IMAC contest!
Zee

[Dan_nO]

There have been a lot of good points made by all of you. There is no way for anyone to set and be able to think about all of the what ifs when the rules are being made and be able to cover and include everything. All of this has brought a lot of things to light and its a learning process to build off of....the base is good for what they have now, just have to change and add to it as we all go along.

One contest we can count on though is the NATS.

[mflander]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Professor
	This also brings up another issue regarding the Clover Creek Contest and whether or not the Unlimited class should count towards regional points... This contest has an Invitational class. Pilots invited to fly in the Invitational class did not have the opportunity to sign up and fly in Unlimited. So should pilots in Unlimited be able to get more points at this event even though there are another 15 pilots in Invitational that might do reasonably well in Unlimited if they had the opportunity? It doesn't matter to me at all, but is an interesting point for discussion with the new standardized regional point system. Another situation I have been wondering about are the events in some regions (mainly SW) that cap the number of pilots at an event (I guess this also includes the Clover Creek event for all classes). As an example, Wayne told us that he was hitting the refresh button for the contest pre-registration every 1 or 2 seconds to make sure he got into the event. Obviously this does not allow everyone to fly in a contest. Should contests with a cap count towards regional points if the contest is not really open to all that want to compete for a regional championship (the regional points championship could simply be decided based upon the person with the fastest internet connection or the fastest mouse clicking refresh capability)??? Maybe the lawyers need to get involved to tighten up the language for the IMAC Regional Points System

My thoughts exactly. Events with capped # of pilots should not count towards point totals. But after thinking about this, is it not also true that only the top 6 events for each competitor are counted? So its not so much the not being able to compete thing I agree with, its the level of competition I DO agree with. Your competition may be stronger or weaker with a capped # of pilots, which may be unfair to others.

[Downhumpty]

IMAC will be counting the points earned for Regionals in the points race and normalizing to 1500. Do you think this is fair? IMAC Regional are by invitation only and there is a cap of ten pilots per class. Do you think this is fair? I still have not figured out how the points race can end at the Regionals. There may be a contest in another region someone would like to attend after the Regionals date...

I have already voiced my opinion on this to the BOD and I have learned to live with their decision.

Kent Porter