1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana - Page 15

**Boulder** · 03-31-2008, 08:18 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by The Dirt Doctor
	Hey Ken, I hope you stay in the SC region!! Bobby

Oh yeah Bobby!! If this works out I'll only be shifting to San Antonio.

**Wayne** · 03-31-2008, 09:10 PM

Ken,

The break has to be with the elevator to stall the wing. (more simulated than anything with models though)
Rudder never does anything but Yaw the aircraft.

**Boulder** · 03-31-2008, 09:21 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	Ken, The break has to be with the elevator to stall the wing. (more simulated than anything with models though) Rudder never does anything but Yaw the aircraft.

Does that work in a Knife to Knife snap, when the wing already isn't flying?

John Schroder · 03-31-2008, 11:02 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by Boulder
	Does that work in a Knife to Knife snap, when the wing already isn't flying?

Ken,
I might be wrong but, I don't think the wing knows if it is in knife edge.
It, the wing, is still flying through the mass of air regardless of it's orientation to the horizon.
Maybe some aeronautical engineer can chime in here.

**Boulder** · 03-31-2008, 11:13 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Schroder
	Ken, I might be wrong but, I don't think the wing knows if it is in knife edge. It, the wing, is still flying through the mass of air regardless of it's orientation to the horizon. Maybe some aeronautical engineer can chime in here.

You're probably right here John, but I thought in knife edge, it would be your fuse that's flying, not the wing. I'm probably wrong, just a thought, though.

Here's my theory, if the wing is perpendicular to the horizon, it's not producing lift...only the fuse is producing lift...of course, I've been wrong on many of occasions, this could be another of those...

John Schroder · 03-31-2008, 11:38 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by Boulder
	You're probably right here John, but I thought in knife edge, it would be your fuse that's flying, not the wing. I'm probably wrong, just a thought, though. Here's my theory, if the wing is perpendicular to the horizon, it's not producing lift...only the fuse is producing lift...of course, I've been wrong on many of occasions, this could be another of those...

Ken,
I think we have hijacked Ryans thread about his first contest. It, the contest sounds like it was a success and I hope he plans a second annual.

Maybe Baron or George Hicks can jump in here and correct us but, i think we are confusing lift and flying relative to the ground. i think when a plane is in knife edge, the wing is still flying but to keep the plane lifting away from the ground, we have to induce yaw to keep from rekitting the plane. Make sense?

**Wayne** · 03-31-2008, 11:41 PM

lift is always perpendicular to the wing.
A good example of this is roll to 45 degrees and pull a loop. The loop will corkscrew because of the lift vector is at 45 degrees.

**Boulder** · 03-31-2008, 11:43 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Schroder
	Ken, I think we have hijacked Ryans thread about his first contest. It, the contest sounds like it was a success and I hope he plans a second annual. Maybe Baron or George Hicks can jump in here and correct us but, i think we are confusing lift and flying relative to the ground. i think when a plane is in knife edge, the wing is still flying but to keep the plane lifting away from the ground, we have to induce yaw to keep from rekitting the plane. Make sense?

No doubt on the hijack, sorry Ryan...I owe you one dude!!!

Let's get this discussion going elsewhere, maybe in the aerodynamic section.

nickb · 03-31-2008, 11:54 PM

Ryan, Excellent contest. Also thanks for crawdad 101.

Phil, Thanks again for the hospitality. Stop by Del Rio on your next El Paso run.

**Boulder** · 03-31-2008, 11:57 PM

	Quote: Originally Posted by nickb
	Ryan, Excellent contest. Also thanks for crawdad 101. Phil, Thanks again for the hospitality. Stop by Del Rio on your next El Paso run.

So Nick, did you do the crawdad head suck???

kajunkane · 04-01-2008, 07:48 AM

I think techniques for eating crawfish have changed. I don't know anyone that sucks the heads anymore. You get nothing but water. You actually have to insert your finger and scrape the top inside of the head with your finger to get at the good stuff.

RC_Pattern_Flyer · 04-01-2008, 08:55 AM

If the plane is flying in knife edge, isnt the wing not lifting anyways, so you can't stall the wing with rudder???

Flame suit on heheheh

BTW, HAD A BLAST... Phil, Ryan and all the local basic pilots and supporters, great contest, we made the best of it saturday and thoroughly enjoyed it!

Chuck Hochhalter

03-31-2008, 09:10 PM	#170 (permalink)
Wayne Learn how to work Kid. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bloomington, Il Age: 40 Posts: 5,011 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: 1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana Ken, The break has to be with the elevator to stall the wing. (more simulated than anything with models though) Rudder never does anything but Yaw the aircraft. __________________ Team JR Desert Aircraft Fromeco Extreme Flight RC Aerographix SWB Built by Walt wgeffon@comcast.net

03-31-2008, 11:41 PM	#175 (permalink)
Wayne Learn how to work Kid. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bloomington, Il Age: 40 Posts: 5,011 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: 1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana lift is always perpendicular to the wing. A good example of this is roll to 45 degrees and pull a loop. The loop will corkscrew because of the lift vector is at 45 degrees. __________________ Team JR Desert Aircraft Fromeco Extreme Flight RC Aerographix SWB Built by Walt wgeffon@comcast.net

03-31-2008, 11:54 PM	#177 (permalink)
nickb Boulder is my Hero!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: del rio, tx Age: 33 Posts: 135	Re: 1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana Ryan, Excellent contest. Also thanks for crawdad 101. Phil, Thanks again for the hospitality. Stop by Del Rio on your next El Paso run.

04-01-2008, 07:48 AM	#179 (permalink)
kajunkane Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Iberia, LA Posts: 414	Re: 1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana I think techniques for eating crawfish have changed. I don't know anyone that sucks the heads anymore. You get nothing but water. You actually have to insert your finger and scrape the top inside of the head with your finger to get at the good stuff. __________________ Gary Manuel Cigar Mechanic

04-01-2008, 08:55 AM	#180 (permalink)
RC_Pattern_Flyer Bad-ass Super Contributer! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Age: 34 Posts: 251 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 1st Annual Cajun R/C IMAC - New Iberia, Louisiana If the plane is flying in knife edge, isnt the wing not lifting anyways, so you can't stall the wing with rudder??? Flame suit on heheheh BTW, HAD A BLAST... Phil, Ryan and all the local basic pilots and supporters, great contest, we made the best of it saturday and thoroughly enjoyed it! Chuck Hochhalter


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