Pathetic - What if........???

[Al Lewis]

Mike I think we all understand and appreciate your love for modeling and building from scratch and if I had the time for that I could probably get into it too but the fact is that I just don't have the time. I barely have the time to put an ARF together. I've got three sitting in the garage now and hope to finish one in the next month. My neighbor, and flying partner, is a good example. He has planes he built 20 years ago from kits. After he got me into the sport and I introduced him to ARFs he switched. He's a great builder but has three kits sitting half built because he just doesn't have the time anymore. A hand built plane is a beautiful thing but I'm afraid they are becoming the toys of those that can afford to pay folks like you to build them for them. It's a shame but it's a fact of the world today.

[Flyfalcons]

I am nice. The truth only hurts if it should.

[Tired Old Man]

Ryan,

To answer your last question. Those flying IMAC planes in IMAC sequences using a straight 4-5-6 channel radio would get hammered by the 12 year old kids flying 40% planes in Sportsman. Move that same competitor to Pattern with an old Curare or Tiporare and the same 4-5-6 channel radio and you'd have full role reversal. Most of the the kids would suck hind teat.

Oh, I most certainly do remember the old 3IM issues. I flew brown and white or red and white depending on who was out that day....

The truth should never hurt because it is the truth. For those where it does it only means they've either been in denial or been treated much to pc for too long.

[bodywerks]

My Aerosport 4 was on brown/white...

	Quote:
	If I ever had any doubts whether or not there were still builders/modelers in the world, they are erased. Well, except for the left coast....that area is still ARF central pretty much...

Mike, you have good points and views. But in regard to the above quote from you, I can tell you why we "left-coasters" don't do much building - we don't have a "building season", LOL! Weather 'round here allows us to fly all year, so why spend all those months inside?!

[Flyfalcons]

I'm sorry but IMAC, Pattern, same shiz different plane. Skills are skills. No 3D throws are needed to fly either discipline, besides if you want to handicap someone with their radio then you better be willing to give yourself the same handicap. Everyone has access to basic computer radios that have exponential and rudimentary mixing these days so who cares. My Extra set up for IMAC has small throws and small expo and maybe a small % rudder to aileron mix. Take that away from me and I'll adapt no problem.

[Blog+1]

Yo Ryan,
This is starting to sound like a shootout - you bring your IMAC I'll use my pattern ship. Your turf is out, it'll have to be mine. But I gotta tell you, I wont be bringing a knife to a gunfight, my radio is fully loaded...Yeah, one of those things a guy has got to do before this life is over. See you in OZ.
Cheers mate / Barry

[Polarrod49]

You said it Mike "Wood is good"!!

[hillmanr2]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Blog+1
	I couldn't help noticing that in Builders Forum, there are just 8 threads. What set me off is an article I read in MAN June edition on how to set up ailerons with differential. It poses the question "What kind of Flyer/ Modeller/ Builder is the modern day hotshot?". I reckon they are a bunch of technological whiz kids. Take away their Super Computerized Radio equipment with dial up 'do anythings' with built in compensation for when it blows, coughs or sneezes. Put a straight-six ch in their hands. It would be interesting to see if and how they can set up their plane for the effect of the right movements without dual rates.exponential-soft around neutral, aileron differential, mixings and snaps. To achieve this, smart improvision and building techniques kick in. Flying by hand, eye and seat of pants, on a scale of 1 to 10, what level of flight performance do you reckon can be achieved? Is there a sniff of a challenge here? Man what an event....

Just as Flyfalcons guessed, the new hotshots would still be on top. Your argument is moot. The playing field is still level, everyone is using a computer radio.
Not only that but grumpy old men are still grumpy and still fly in circles. Is there
sniff of challenge? come out and participate. Get involved, what do expect, free flight rubber band?

[Mithrandir]

I just get irritated at the people who make remarks like "The radio flys the plane for him".

What My 14MZ does for me is mix out the irritating little coupling issues, it puts in just a pinch of down elev at full idle, it adds a little right rudder at full throttle... it makes the plane fly like low rates when I am just pushing the sticks around neutral for normal stuff and then when I need the big throws.. Bah-Dah-Bing-Bah-Dah Bang.... there it is!!!

It also reminds me when I oughta land.. dead sticking from a TR sucks! It will also play music!!!

The radio helps to null out the irritations so I can focus on flying the model. Having a reliable, predictable plane with no bad habits is how one advances.

The decrease in building time/Assembly time has allowed for an increase in Pilot'ing time... THAT is a big reason for pilots on average being better today.

[mflander]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Mithrandir
	I just get irritated at the people who make remarks like "The radio flys the plane for him". What My 14MZ does for me is mix out the irritating little coupling issues, it puts in just a pinch of down elev at full idle, it adds a little right rudder at full throttle... it makes the plane fly like low rates when I am just pushing the sticks around neutral for normal stuff and then when I need the big throws.. Bah-Dah-Bing-Bah-Dah Bang.... there it is!!! It also reminds me when I oughta land.. dead sticking from a TR sucks! It will also play music!!! The radio helps to null out the irritations so I can focus on flying the model. Having a reliable, predictable plane with no bad habits is how one advances. The decrease in building time/Assembly time has allowed for an increase in Pilot'ing time... THAT is a big reason for pilots on average being better today.

So what your saying is that it flies the plane for you?!?

[Flyfalcons]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Blog+1
	Yo Ryan, This is starting to sound like a shootout - you bring your IMAC I'll use my pattern ship. Your turf is out, it'll have to be mine. But I gotta tell you, I wont be bringing a knife to a gunfight, my radio is fully loaded...Yeah, one of those things a guy has got to do before this life is over. See you in OZ. Cheers mate / Barry

Barry what you're suggesting is flying different equipment in the same contest - isn't that how it happens now? If you want a real test of skills, how about an event using one airplane only that neither of us has flown with a basic radio setup. Sound fair? Just don't invite those "whiz kids" if you want to win, because they will still beat both of us.

[RTK]

	Quote: Originally Posted by alec taylor
	the best thing about the old days is not being able to remember them... alex

LOL,,,, but becoming so true