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Old 05-30-2006, 11:54 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I would say the piro wall of death would be close to a rolling harrier. That is if you are talking about rolling in a circle with the harrier. The piro wall of death is better defined as a pirouetting funnel or hurricane. Take the heli almost knife edge in a circle and start pirouetting. I will try to find a vid to show this. Right now I am trying to easy into a new maneuver for me which is a piro figure of 8 funnel that throws back and forth like pieces of the 'snake' manuever. Geez I do about as good of a job describing it as I do flying it

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Old 05-31-2006, 12:12 AM   #74 (permalink)
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On my blade cp I have modified it with a different rx so I can use my computer radio and a brushless motor I had in a foamy. The speed control, y harness and servo extensions required for the mods have left me with way to much wire. I want to shorten the servo leads.
My question is it better to get new ends and crimp them on to the wires or cut out sections and soldier the wires? I am concerned with soldier conections failing in a high vibration environment like a heli.
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Old 05-31-2006, 12:40 AM   #75 (permalink)
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If you don't have a crimping tool, then I would cut the section out and solder them back. Vibration is a huge factor on helis, but they are extremely reduced on an electric machine.
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Old 05-31-2006, 09:49 AM   #76 (permalink)
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What Ryan said.

If you do cut out wire and solder the connections, stagger the joints by the length of the shrink tube that you are going to cover the joint with. This will keep you from having a very fat spot in the wire to deal with.

Before I got a crimp tool I cut and spliced many wire leads on both helies and planks, and never had a joint failure.
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Old 06-02-2006, 08:41 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. I have a dumb question.
Do you guys use mixes on your radios like the planks to make them fly better? I am asking because it seems like allot of heli guys use 14mz's and jr10x's.
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:41 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Yes, you absolutely have to use some mixes. And we are not talking about the optional ones to correct bad tendencies in a knife edge.
The main mix is your pitch to throttle. Mainly your left stick controls the throttle, and your pitch is slaved off it. Its not as rocket scientifical as it may sound, the radio manufacturers make it really easy for you. They give you about five points trhu the range of the stick at which you can adjust your pitch to. The idea is that you want constant headspeed at all times, anywhere between 1600 to 2200+ rpm.
Than to make things cooler you can set up usually three different mixes, usually called your Idle Up modes. Your throttle is also adjustable with these 5 or so points off the left stick.
For just learning you would set it up so when your left stick is down your engine idles, and you have about -2 degrees of pitch. At the middle of the stick is where you want your hovering to happen. Usually this is going to be 6 degrees of pitch, and throttle anywhere from 35 to 70 percent. Top of the stick is full throttle and max pitch that will not bog the heli down, around 10 degrees usually.
On the other end of that is the all out aerobatic assault mode, where stick down is -10 degrees of pitch with full throttle and top is 10 degrees of pitch with full throttle. Its really fun when you start the heli up in this mode. There is also an imbetween mode.
Anyways, there could be volumes written about pitch curves, but they really are not bad.
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Aside from throttle and collective mixing, I've been using cyclic to throttle mixing to keep the head speed consistant during stick banging sessions. I also use dual rates to slow the tail down to make piro flips easier.
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Some of the micro helies that do not have a HH gyro will need to use the REVO mixing.
REVO is a mix with throttle as master and rudder as slave.

In addition to the cyclic to throttle mix mentioned above you can also do a rudder to throttle for the same reason.

The 14MZ also has built in mixes to adjust for swash-plate timing errors.

If you have a heli with eCCPM mixing then there is a mix of pitch, elevator and aileron all mixed up together. This is a built in mix on most modern radios.
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Because I don't have a hh gyro I was messing around with revo. So when I pitch up I assume I need more right rudder. what about negative pitch?
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If you are talking about inverted, it is the same. Torque acts in same direction. When you unload the main rotor however, you will need to compensate for that.
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Thanks for answering all my questions. I have another one though. It seems that I really like helis and am wondering what to do for the next one. I have a blade cp and I am finding the lack of a heading hold gyro and a few other things are making it harder and harder to learn more advanced maneuvers on. I am sure a good heli pilot could light it up with mine but I am just not good enough.

So, if you guys where in my shoes and just starting out with helis what would you buy as a second heli? I am looking at the trex but I have a feeling nitro is a better way to go.

I would rather learn from you guys than waste my money.
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