ETOC Sequence Aresti Drawing

[aglenn]

What plane is that your flying in the video?

[JAS]

OK, after seeing that, I'm NOT posting my flight. I need a bit more practice.

Couple things:
The Flat Goldfish: writing should read 3/4 KE Turn (circle) and the 4 of 8 which was already noted
The Tailslide was done wheels up, not wheels down
The writing for the down 1/2 Square should be 1/2 roll, not 3/4 roll

Other than that, looks great. I've got to get back to work. Thanks Donatas for making me look so bad

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bert vander Vecht
	#2 I think it is better for me to wait a few days and see how the sequence has evolved and changed to its final format before asking anymore questions about it. Greetings, Bert.

Bert,

I dont think you will see the sequence change as it stands now.
You are looking at the final format.
We will make changes to incorporate the verbage in # 2 to read 3/4 push circle.
When in doubt, always go with the aresti over verbage.

I have talked to several pilots today who are flying in the ETOC and they all seem to understand the intended flow of the routine.

Do you have specific questions related to it that we can answer for you?

[TheRooster]

im sorry if this has been answered already but does the takeoff have to be flown in an S? i know in imac turns are a non directional menuver but were kind of going by a different set of rules here so I thought id ask...thanks in advance

[hovermaster]

John,

Yes, the take off sequence is going to be done in an "S" pattern. Take off left to right in front of box, turn 180 left, go to other end then 180 turn to the right, enter figure #2 at the back of the box left to right.

Chris

[Bert vander Vecht]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	Bert, I dont think you will see the sequence change as it stands now. You are looking at the final format. Do you have specific questions related to it that we can answer for you?

Where can I find the sequence "as it stands now"?

We have established that the written program is wrong.
We have established that the Aresti is wrong.
We have seen Donatas flying it wrong.

I am afraid it is just not possible to distillate the right program from a discussion on a board like this, starting with a wrong program and having to read all variations and interpretations by a large number of persons. The fact that Wayne and Troy were each pointing in different directions did not help.

If you feel confident that you now have a program in your head that incorporates all the changes to make it work it would be a good time to make new, corrected, written instructions and a matching Aresti program also with the mistakes removed.

After that is done we can begin to discus the finer points of the program.


Greetings,
Bert.

[TheRooster]

bert, the aresti isnt drawn to scale, it is simply a picture describing what the menuver is, the snaps dont have to maintain a perfect circle its a stalled menuver. on number 2 you were asking how you get to inverted or dashed line with a 1/4 roll from upright, a dashed line doesnt indicate the plane is inverted, it indicates a negatively loaded, we are pushing making the airplane negatively loaded, thus a dashed line, il try to answer the rest of them tomarow, i havent gone to bed yet and its 6 am, been up working on a foamy to fly tomarow night. wayne correct me if any of what I just said is wrong. Just dont take the arresti so litterally. Dontas did fly some menuvers wrong, he was simply just trying to show placement and the basic elements. all the best.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by John Wondra
	bert, the aresti isnt drawn to scale, it is simply a picture describing what the menuver is, the snaps dont have to maintain a perfect circle its a stalled menuver. on number 2 you were asking how you get to inverted or dashed line with a 1/4 roll from upright, a dashed line doesnt indicate the plane is inverted, it indicates a negatively loaded, we are pushing making the airplane negatively loaded, thus a dashed line, il try to answer the rest of them tomarow, i havent gone to bed yet and its 6 am, been up working on a foamy to fly tomarow night. wayne correct me if any of what I just said is wrong. Just dont take the arresti so litterally. Dontas did fly some menuvers wrong, he was simply just trying to show placement and the basic elements. all the best.

Exactly.
Thanks John.

[Bert vander Vecht]

Quote Wayne:
When in doubt, always go with the aresti over verbage.

Quote John: (And affirmed by Wayne in post above)
Just dont take the arresti so litterally.

This is not helping.......

[Wayne]

Bert,

Specifically, what are you questions related to the sequence.
Ask them and I will get you an answer that you can rely on.


I talked to a couple guys already flying and practicing the sequence.
They have no concerns about how its supposed to be flown.

I am doing my best to try and get you on that same page.
Again,
Specifically, what are you questions related to the sequence.

[Donatas]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JAS
	OK, after seeing that, I'm NOT posting my flight. I need a bit more practice. Couple things: The Flat Goldfish: writing should read 3/4 KE Turn (circle) and the 4 of 8 which was already noted The Tailslide was done wheels up, not wheels down The writing for the down 1/2 Square should be 1/2 roll, not 3/4 roll Other than that, looks great. I've got to get back to work. Thanks Donatas for making me look so bad

Thanks Jason, i will fix these mistakes and make new video soon, but bassicly these small mistakes don't change point, i suspect directions of flight was righ also placing was right according Aresti ? Wayne em i right ?

I look more at Aresti, than description of maneuvers. Also i found this on RCgroups:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652645

Edits: Rev 1-1 for Figure #5 was changed to a 1/2 roll to make things work like was intended. I guess we had to have one mix up. Enjoy Rev 1-1

So everything make sence now.

Aglenn i fly little modified Knuffel at 90% simulation speed, that way it looks closest to reality.

[BigBird]

Wayne,
I flew it last night with my Sypher. Had no issues with the pattern as drawn. It is not that hard to understand after watching Donotas' video.
Thanks to Wayne, Troy, and Biff for all the effort you guys have put into making this happen. So far flying this pattern is really fun. That 270 roller with snaps is tough. Bert please calm down and ask your question's directly to Wayne. Email/ PM whatever. He is the event director and will be glad to help. There is really no reason to get so worked up. Most of us going to this event are spending a lot of money to get there also. There is nothing wrong with the aresti as it sits. You just can't read it as an FAI approved all elements legal pattern. There are elements in there that are made just for this event. Just like the TOC had. In fact at the 2002 TOC they had to use a 3-D model just to show the rolling circle elements. That impressed Biff so much he put that exact element in last years ETOC. So please look at the pattern with a more open mind to how the element will be flown.
Jason Danhakl
ps. JAS you act like your going to fly in this thing??? Whats up