Welcome to The FlyingGiants! - please login or click this bar to join our community...

Home About Us Newest Products Special Sales

Please support our sponsors
   

Welcome to The FlyingGiants Community! We're all about fun, and inside you'll find the greatest, friendliest, and most helpful group of people around! If this is your first time visiting, please check out site, and click here to sign up! We hope to see you soon!!

Go Back   FlyingGiants Forums > General RC Product Discussions > 2.4 Ghz Spread Spectrum Technology


2.4 Ghz Spread Spectrum Technology Discuss Spektrum, Futaba FASST, and all of the exciting 2.4 transmitter/receiver technology here!

Support our Sponsors

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-02-2008, 10:28 PM   #1129 (permalink)
KIGECA
 
Dustflyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Abington, Pa
Age: 55
Posts: 61
Dustflyer is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Let's see: paint balls, Amigas, 2.4ghz systems, where will Jim Drew show up next? Hmm. I can see it now...

"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first computer controlled, pilotless airliner. We hope you enjoy your flight and the cheap fares made possible by eliminating pilots and crew. We understand you may be a bit concerned but there is absolutely nothing to be worried about... nothing to be worried about... nothing to be worried about......."
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 11:11 PM   #1130 (permalink)
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
1bwana1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: La Jolla, CA USA
Posts: 1,444
1bwana1 is online now
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

No, not the Airline business, too much regulation and testing required. However, in light of the current world oil crisis, I can see a device that takes any fuel injected car, and doubles or triples it's fuel mileage. All you'll have to do is plug it into your cigarette lighter.....
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2008, 02:05 AM   #1131 (permalink)
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
XJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Zealand
Age: 54
Posts: 770
XJet is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwi
View Post
Haaaaaa Dustflyer, To quote JD those are not real world tests mate. No one flies in a simulated environment. Bench testing has nothing on doing it down at the club mate.
No wonder I keep getting glitches when I do low passes over my bench!
__________________
When I'm not here, I'm at RC Model Reviews
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2008, 02:23 PM   #1132 (permalink)
Gettin' Lower!
 
Fish07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Juan ,Puerto Rico
Posts: 38
Fish07 is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by 1bwana1
View Post
No, not the Airline business, too much regulation and testing required. However, in light of the current world oil crisis, I can see a device that takes any fuel injected car, and doubles or triples it's fuel mileage. All you'll have to do is plug it into your cigarette lighter.....
LOL
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2008, 05:29 PM   #1133 (permalink)
Doo It! Doo It!
 
Toumal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 75
Toumal is offline
Wink Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by Dustflyer
View Post
Here are some short, entertaining videos of that bizarre XPS behavior:
Dustflyer, I noticed you had the XPS antenna on the TX unplugged - or am I mistaken there?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwi
View Post
Haaaaaa Dustflyer, To quote JD those are not real world tests mate. No one flies in a simulated environment. Bench testing has nothing on doing it down at the club mate.
Righty-o. Because all those problems will magically go away when the plane is in the air.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwi
View Post
There's no doubt that XPS is a second tier system and not for every application. In fact if it functions like that I dont know what application it would fit.
Cars! Hmm.. no, still a bit dangerous.
Boats! But there could be other people in the water. Nah.
I would say remote controlled pet door, but you still run the risk of injuring your pet - or having it locked out of the house due to interference.

You could use it as an expensive wlan detector though - if the servo stops waggling, you've potentially found free internet access!

Last edited by Toumal; 05-03-2008 at 05:37 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2008, 08:35 PM   #1134 (permalink)
Gettin' Lower!
 
Fish07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Juan ,Puerto Rico
Posts: 38
Fish07 is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by Toumal
View Post
Dustflyer, I noticed you had the XPS antenna on the TX unplugged - or am I mistaken there?



Righty-o. Because all those problems will magically go away when the plane is in the air.



Cars! Hmm.. no, still a bit dangerous.
Boats! But there could be other people in the water. Nah.
I would say remote controlled pet door, but you still run the risk of injuring your pet - or having it locked out of the house due to interference.

You could use it as an expensive wlan detector though - if the servo stops waggling, you've potentially found free internet access!
Here comes the fan boys !!!!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 10:28 AM   #1135 (permalink)
KIGECA
 
Dustflyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Abington, Pa
Age: 55
Posts: 61
Dustflyer is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by Toumal
View Post
Dustflyer, I noticed you had the XPS antenna on the TX unplugged - or am I mistaken there?
You observe rightly. The antenna is unplugged.

In the original version 1.4 manual the first step of the range testing procedure was to remove the antenna. It then goes on to say that with the prog button pushed you should have perfect control at 100 feet.

Without the prog button pushed I couldn't get perfect control at two feet.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 03:54 PM   #1136 (permalink)
Gettin' Lower!
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 43
BZFrank is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Another case of persistent lockout. I am sure the pilot was hopping mad: http://translate.google.de/translate...hl=de&ie=UTF-8
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 07:18 PM   #1137 (permalink)
Hueys Forever!
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 63
Posts: 21
Cherokee Jim is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Hello All,

"Without the prog button pushed I couldn't get perfect control at two feet. I have been doing some outdoor test and I have the following results so far:"

XPS

No Antenna and Button pushed = 51 Ft.
No Antenna and Button not pushed = 348 Ft.

Next week I will repeat the test again using the XPS and a Spektrum DX7.

XPS

No Antenna button pushed
No Antenna Button Not Pushed
Antenna and Button Pushed
Antenna and Button Not Pushed

DX7

Antenna on and Button Pushed
Antenna on and Button Not Pushed
Antenna on and Satellite RX removed and Button Pushed
Antenna on and Satellite RX removed, Button Not Pushed


I move the RX orientation while doing a range check
I remove the DX7 Satellite RX to see what effect it will have and to see what would happen if it stops working. I did some range checking with the DX7 today and removing its satellite RX does decrease range and it increases the receiver's sensitivity to antenna orientation.

I also checked at what height above the ground the signal is lost and at what distance. Next week I will do both systems, today I just wanted to get a first look and to see what a meaningful test would be.

I also Toggle power off and on to see at what distances I can reacquire signal lock.

Happy Flying,
Cherokee Jim Mahoney
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 07:39 PM   #1138 (permalink)
Bad-ass Super Contributer!

 
Kiwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chile
Age: 55
Posts: 4,791
Blog Entries: 4
Kiwi is offline
Awards Showcase
Wesse's Haaard Man Award!: For showing our community the joy of eating jap-a-lin-os and being a haaaard man! Wesse Power! - Issue reason: You're a haaaaaaard man!  Super-Huck!: Presented for incredible contributions from our members, to our community. - Issue reason: All four of these guys definitely out-did themselves and exhibited excellent skills with video and camera work. Their stuff appears on the BOTG page. Thanks for submitting to the gallery guys! 
Total Awards: 2
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Quote: Originally Posted by BZFrank
View Post
Another case of persistent lockout. I am sure the pilot was hopping mad: http://translate.google.de/translate...hl=de&ie=UTF-8
Hell that would be a nervous few minutes wondering where in the heck it would decide to take a dirt nap. I bet there was no free space under the tents or tables until it went away.
__________________
Kiwi

www.crackroll.com

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 12:59 AM   #1139 (permalink)
Bad-ass Super Contributer!
 
XJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Zealand
Age: 54
Posts: 770
XJet is offline
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Well it seems that the truth hurts and JD has threatened me with being banned if I dare to post to the XPS group at RCG again.

Of course that's his privilege, given that this is a support group that he (supposedly) pays for.

However, it does indicate that the strain of having his claims for XPS debunked is beginning to show.

I have offered to help him with the task of repositioning XPS in the market and restating its capabilities, so as to better reflect reality, and I'm genuine in that offer. Somehow I doubt he'll be taking me up on it -- but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised. Who knows.
__________________
When I'm not here, I'm at RC Model Reviews
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:28 AM   #1140 (permalink)
Stiiiiiiil Huckin'!
 
madmax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mexifornia
Age: 36
Posts: 9,233
Blog Entries: 8
madmax is offline
Awards Showcase
The  MAD MAX: This award is for the commitment and dedication put in to  building the Flyinggiants into the amazing site it is today. CHEERS! Now go relax and have a wobbly pop. - Issue reason: This award is for the commitment and dedication put in to building the Flyinggiants into the amazing site it is today. CHEERS! Now go relax and have a wobbly pop.  Wesse's Haaard Man Award!: For showing our community the joy of eating jap-a-lin-os and being a haaaard man! Wesse Power! - Issue reason: You're a haaaaaaard man! 
Total Awards: 2
Default Re: Independent tests prove lack of frequency hopping with XPS

Hello everyone!! I know there are alot of FG newcomers here, and I just wanted to say hi!! Welcome to FG, and enjoy your stay!! Be sure to hop around the site, we do a whole bunch more. Thanks again and best ---- MD
__________________
Sponsored by Visa, American Express, SLEEPYC, and SnapaSaurus.
Facebook: Maxon Duncan
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Hybrid Mode