Official Futaba 6EX, 7C and TM-7 Service Advisory

[Jamieman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	If his is true, you need to change that avatar!!!!

Ya gotta admit.
It is a nice scheme ay

[Dsp Dave]

Do you guys really think that Futaba is just going to sweep this under the carpet and tell everyone to be careful and never do anything about the problem? Come on!
They are doing everything they can to fix the problem as fast as they can and they have offered temporary solutions to help people be safe until they get their radios sent in. You guys are acting like the ID problem is just something we are going to have to learn to deal with and that is the way the FASST system is going to always work, Come on use your head! Futaba has acknowledged the problem and offered to fix it 100% so whats the problem! Send in your radio and get it fixed problem solved.
And Sweetpea as far as contest problems I am suggesting this to Futaba, that they apply some kind of sticker or stamp on all radios that have been fixed and have received a clean bill of health so you as a CD and us as flyers know that with these radios are OK and no problems will occur. And as a CD any radio that doesn't have a stamp or sticker that shows it's OK, should NOT be allowed to fly! This will weed out all the people that are too lazy to send their radio in and get it fixed. Give them time and they will work everything out, this is a small setback that Futaba will fix it just can't happen overnight. In the meantime follow Futaba's precautionary guidlines if you plan on flying before you get your radio fixed.

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dubd
	Regardless of how insignificant this is, perception has become reality.

Sadly, this is very true. I see this in my work all the time. People ignore facts and go with their gut. Oh well. In the end I am confident that Futaba will sort this out, if only because I know it HAS to be bothering them right down to the individual engineer. This is a problem that offers them the challenge of figuring out how what was thought to be impossible in fact happened. And Futaba is a very large company. I think they will ride this out. The Japanese think much longer term than we Westerners typically do.

[Craven]

DSP,
What about the Golden Girls? What should they do?

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Jamieman
	Ya gotta admit. It is a nice scheme ay

Interesting use of words. I just heard from a guy I have never met and know nothing about that he read on the Internet that JR actually planted spies in the Futaba factory and are the actual root cause of this issue!!!

Another JR scheme found out!!!!! Those crafty devils

And since I read this on the INternet (as your are I might remind you), then it MUST be true and you can trust me. Afterall, I have a computer and an Internet connection. I AM an expert!!!!

[JimC-MD]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	Interesting use of words. I just heard from a guy I have never met and know nothing about that he read on the Internet that JR actually planted spies in the Futaba factory and are the actual root cause of this issue!!! Another JR scheme found out!!!!! Those crafty devils And since I read this on the INternet (as your are I might remind you), then it MUST be true and you can trust me. Afterall, I have a computer and an Internet connection. I AM an expert!!!!

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.

However Judge, I think you need to change your screen name. A judge is supposed to be impartial.

Just yanking your chain. I agree with you for the most part and understand the concerns of others and agree with them as well.

This will get worked out. Until then, those of us in the know will (as we always do) act as information conduits and help those around us work through it. At the same time we will keep up on the latest developments to pass along to those to busy or lazy to reduce their ignorance.

Hey, I fly JR and like the markings on that plane in Jamie's avatar. Am I allowed to comment on this thread? I too have an INTERNET connection, as you can see.

Expert
Ex-Spurt An ex is a has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

[Dsp Dave]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Craven
	DSP, What about the Golden Girls? What should they do?

Ask Dick I think he has the box set on DVD. Or maybe if we run A123 batteries without a regulator their powerful ability will also keep the radio ID from resetting, I mean they have already cured world hunger and brought peace in the middle east and I heard that the Catholic church is replacing the holy water with A123 batteries and that they just shut down the hoover damn and replaced it with 2-4000mah packs.

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JimC-MD
	I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. However Judge, I think you need to change your screen name. A judge is supposed to be impartial.

You clearly don't pay much attention to the decisions of most Judges that get published in the papers

	Quote:
	Hey, I fly JR and like the markings on that plane in Jamie's avatar. Am I allowed to comment on this thread? I too have an INTERNET connection, as you can see.

Your clear lack of good judgment as manifested by your poor choice in radios makes you the ideal candidate to post what passes for wisdom in your world. Consider yourself yanked back

[sweetpea]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Dsp Dave
	Do you guys really think that Futaba is just going to sweep this under the carpet and tell everyone to be careful and never do anything about the problem? Come on! They are doing everything they can to fix the problem as fast as they can and they have offered temporary solutions to help people be safe until they get their radios sent in. You guys are acting like the ID problem is just something we are going to have to learn to deal with and that is the way the FASST system is going to always work, Come on use your head! Futaba has acknowledged the problem and offered to fix it 100% so whats the problem! Send in your radio and get it fixed problem solved. And Sweetpea as far as contest problems I am suggesting this to Futaba, that they apply some kind of sticker or stamp on all radios that have been fixed and have received a clean bill of health so you as a CD and us as flyers know that with these radios are OK and no problems will occur. And as a CD any radio that doesn't have a stamp or sticker that shows it's OK, should NOT be allowed to fly! This will weed out all the people that are too lazy to send their radio in and get it fixed. Give them time and they will work everything out, this is a small setback that Futaba will fix it just can't happen overnight. In the meantime follow Futaba's precautionary guidlines if you plan on flying before you get your radio fixed.

So the solution as a CD is to "ban" a radio (with less than 1 month notice to the competitors?) So what do I do to someone that has their radio unbind at the event?

Are they now banned from competing also? Do you honestly think that any competitor will let me know what happened knowing that they will be done for the weekend? And even if they did, they would demand a refund most likely.

To me, this causes undue personal conflicts put upon the shoulders of a CD.

The sticker means absolutely nothing other than at one time that radio was sent in. The person could have done #2 or #3 the same day they got the sticker and now it could be back to zero. Will they tell me?

I do think Futaba will Permantly Fix the problem.......until then though, Every one of these radios need to assume they are on channel 99. (just picked an unused number). There will be a chance of shooting someone down if you treat the radio like every other 2.4 radio out there and just turn on.

Remember, not everyone will get the message and send in the radio.

I've stated for my contest I don't think this will be an issue as the number of systems will most likely be low. I will also send out an email to all entrants that signed up on letsflyrc.com on what I plan to do to freq conflict these radios. That should cover 90% of my entrants. The last 10% will just delay the start of the contest as I try to fit them in day of (if any of them happen to have a suspect radio)

This may not be the case for other contests where Futaba is a more popular radio.

[Judge]

Why not wait until Futaba issues a final determination? Then all your hypothetical situations will be moot. You will have actual information and can make decisions based on that, not endless "what ifs".

As far as your contest in a couple of weeks, as you admit, you have a clear and easy way to handle that. And again, I will come to Vegas at my own expense and do he flight matrix if the number of effected Futaba radios is too overwhelming.


What will be far more interesting is to see what the CD of the upcoming Indoor E-Fest in Champaign does!!

[dick hanson]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	So the solution as a CD is to "ban" a radio (with less than 1 month notice to the competitors?) So what do I do to someone that has their radio unbind at the event? Are they now banned from competing also? Do you honestly think that any competitor will let me know what happened knowing that they will be done for the weekend? And even if they did, they would demand a refund most likely. To me, this causes undue personal conflicts put upon the shoulders of a CD. The sticker means absolutely nothing other than at one time that radio was sent in. The person could have done #2 or #3 the same day they got the sticker and now it could be back to zero. Will they tell me? I do think Futaba will Permantly Fix the problem.......until then though, Every one of these radios need to assume they are on channel 99. (just picked an unused number). There will be a chance of shooting someone down if you treat the radio like every other 2.4 radio out there and just turn on. Remember, not everyone will get the message and send in the radio. I've stated for my contest I don't think this will be an issue as the number of systems will most likely be low. I will also send out an email to all entrants that signed up on letsflyrc.com on what I plan to do to freq conflict these radios. That should cover 90% of my entrants. The last 10% will just delay the start of the contest as I try to fit them in day of (if any of them happen to have a suspect radio) This may not be the case for other contests where Futaba is a more popular radio.

Well-
based on some of the answers provided
1- you are making a mountain out of a molehill
2 - you are trying to may Futaba look bad
3 - Give em a break - the problem is really nothing.
4 - They are working on it -an an acceptable fix is just around the corner
I asked about the #2 switch activation caveat noted-- so far -complete stonewalling.why?

Now I will set back and see what transpires.
the reason can't be a trade secret.

[sweetpea]

Exactly Judge- My puny contest means nothing to this situation and I appreciate your offer of help, no matter how sarcastic or sincere it is.

But had I not brought up my tiny contest......CD's and flyers of events like the ETOC where people come from all over the world may not have thought of some of these scenarios and may not have even looked at the internet like we Americans do.

I have not once said that the Futaba or FASST is crap and stay away. It has a technical problem that is being worked on and admitted to. In the meantime the solution has not been a mass recall but a temp fix that may or may not stay fixed. People flying the system need to know how serious it is when they do #2 and #3. They could shootdown someone by accident. That can be a $10k + costly incident.