flaperons and spoilerons

[mjws00]

What OP is asking is to put spoilerons (up elev-> up flap) on one side of a 3-pos switch, Center for off, flaperons (up elev ->down flap) on the other side. These are proportional mixes not OFFSET as done by the JR flap system. This is simple and common on Futaba systems. It is not possible on a 9303. Those that think they have done it are misinterpreting the question.

JR has the 3pos switches locked out of mixing. Period. No use allowed. No way to access up, center, down is built into the software. Only a single 3 pos switch is accessible via flight modes.

Makes no difference if it is the airplane version or heli version. Only difference is they swapped two switches (gear and flap) physically, and the button for the trainer switch, the logic and functionality is exactly the same.

Mike

[crash-n-burn]

Joke warning:

I can do it on my 12x , joke people its a joke.

[LAdams]

	Quote: Originally Posted by mjws00
	What OP is asking is to put spoilerons (up elev-> up flap) on one side of a 3-pos switch, Center for off, flaperons (up elev ->down flap) on the other side. These are proportional mixes not OFFSET as done by the JR flap system.

Well they CAN be proportional or they CAN be offset. The OP didn't specify. It's easy to do offset exactly as he described.

Though I pretty sure you can do proportional without the switch. My full house sailplane is setup for reflex and camber which is pretty much exatly as you describe, only no switch needed (though flight modes can turn it on or off). You set it up on one of the side sliders and pushing forward raises flaps and or aeilerons and elev. and you pulling down from center and the flaps and or ailerons go down and elevator can go up or down however you want to set it up. Would be interested to know why a switch to turn one or the other on or off is needed. Center is null up is "spoilerons" and down is "Flapperons". Use flight mode to turn the entire system on or off if desired... Might require sailplane mode to setup, or a more complex setup using mixes.

I gotta admit that it would take me some time to look into it though. I've just always setup the offset method for power planes and the reflex/camber proportional system for sailplanes...

[GooseF22]

	Quote: Originally Posted by billd3
	I want to program Frons And Sprons on my JR 9303 and assign Both to the 3 position AUX2 switch with 0 position being Frons , 1 position(middle) being "OFF", and 2 position being Sprons...Is that possible and if so, how? Thanks in advance.

Not sure if you really got it answered. there was a lot of good info in this thread though.

Just set up wing type flaperon;
use the flight mode
Use one PMix and the Ele/flap mix.
Set the switch on one to FMO and the other to FM2. I just did it on my 9303 2.4 thats for sale by the way.

FM0 = spoilers deflect opposite elevator
FM1 normal ailerons.
FM2 - flaperons deflect same as elevator

If you dont want to lose Flt modes, then use another switch for each such as rudder dr/ or mix.

did that answer?

[mjws00]

Don't know the glider features. I took a quick look to see if there was a work around there, but gave up long before I'd exhausted all possibilities. It didn't really look that feasible to run a 3D gasser in that mode, too confusing and too many nice little options gone. In Acro mode I've hit every possible angle as have others.

For aerobats we use spoilerons to kill some lift on the wing typically in high alpha moves. It decreases wing rock on many planes. But it isn't a fixed amount like a spoiler or a flap, and it isn't proportional in the sense of adding it on a slider or dial. You pull (x) elevator and you get (y) spoileron. It completely screws up the flight characteristics of the plane if you can't turn it off for other moves.

Flaperons typically tighten a flip or loop or can help flatten out a spin. Exactly the opposite pull (x) elevator get (y) flaps added. There are a few other things you can do with them I'm sure. But that is the common usage in this context. Very nice to stick them on a 3 pole switch with center off.

Mike

[mjws00]

Yep. Mentioned that in post 9, Goose. Nice concise explanation for those that don't use flight modes for anything else.

Mike

[LAdams]

	Quote: Originally Posted by mjws00
	You pull (x) elevator and you get (y) spoileron. It completely screws up the flight characteristics of the plane if you can't turn it off for other moves.

OOOOOH.. heh. Ok, thanks for the explaination, sort of "auto-spoilerons". Now the switch makes sense too. THere is a single mix switch of course, but yeah I can see how being able to use the three position as a two way mix swith could be nice.

You /can/ setup 5 flight modes though, and I bet like mentioned above in addition to your normal land, lowrate, highrate three flight mode switch, you could set up the additional two modes on the other three position switch and switch on and off the mixes that way?

Maybe I'll actually sit down thisafternoon and give it a shot, Now I'm interestied in the mix too

[Lovell]

Hello all,

Just another question :

I activate the "flaperon" mode for use my two wing and when I turn on the radio and the airplane, the right aileron go up, go down and return to the neutral position immediatly after, is that normal ?

Best Regards

Loïc

[Zeeb]

Did you re-bind the rx after setting up the model?

If not, you should do so and set your failsafe/smartsafe in the process. This re-binding will tell the rx where to position the servos until it links with the tx and should solve your problem. Please note that there have been some folks post about issues with analog servos and the 9 channel systems running in 2048 resolution. Seems as though some will deflect on rx startup regardless of whether or not the failsafe/smartsafe is set.

[Lovell]

Hello,

Ok thanks Zeeb !

Bye

Loïc

[billd3]

	Quote: Originally Posted by mjws00
	What OP is asking is to put spoilerons (up elev-> up flap) on one side of a 3-pos switch, Center for off, flaperons (up elev ->down flap) on the other side. These are proportional mixes not OFFSET as done by the JR flap system. This is simple and common on Futaba systems. It is not possible on a 9303. Those that think they have done it are misinterpreting the question. JR has the 3pos switches locked out of mixing. Period. No use allowed. No way to access up, center, down is built into the software. Only a single 3 pos switch is accessible via flight modes. Makes no difference if it is the airplane version or heli version. Only difference is they swapped two switches (gear and flap) physically, and the button for the trainer switch, the logic and functionality is exactly the same. Mike

You are exactly correct, Mike, in restating what I wanted to do...After much research and trial I believe it is NOT possible with the 9303.