flaperons and spoilerons

[billd3]

I want to program Frons And Sprons on my JR 9303 and assign Both to the 3 position AUX2 switch with 0 position being Frons , 1 position(middle) being "OFF", and 2 position being Sprons...Is that possible and if so, how?

Thanks in advance.

[Jim T]

	Quote: Originally Posted by billd3
	I want to program Frons And Sprons on my JR 9303 and assign Both to the 3 position AUX2 switch with 0 position being Frons , 1 position(middle) being "OFF", and 2 position being Sprons...Is that possible and if so, how? Thanks in advance.

Yes, it's possible. I'll need to look at my 9303 tomorrow to refresh my memory on how I did it.

Jim

[MadMonkey]

I do that with every plane I set up with a flaperon mix just to test the characteristics of both modes (to see if either makes an appreciable difference).

Don't quote me, but if you have your ailerons plugged into the receiver correctly, you should be able to simply go into the System menu and select the 3 position switch for flap use, then go to the flap setup menu and adjust accordingly (negative throw for spoilerons, positive for flaperons).

I don't have my radio handy or I'd go into detail. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

[mjws00]

Asked the same question in June, there was no way to assign a mix to the second 3 position switch. It is excluded from your choices. Interesting to see positive responses here.

Very interested in hearing from the folks doing this, as it was something I missed when moving to the 9303.

Mike

[MadMonkey]

^^ Oops, you know what, I use a heli 9303... the layout is different from the airplane version. I use the 3-position switch on the upper left for my spoileron/flaperon mixes...

That may have something to do with it.

[FireFighterFSFD]

I do it with my 14 mz it will enable you to do the cooleest elevator drop ever

[Jim T]

	Quote: Originally Posted by mjws00
	Asked the same question in June, there was no way to assign a mix to the second 3 position switch. It is excluded from your choices. Interesting to see positive responses here. Very interested in hearing from the folks doing this, as it was something I missed when moving to the 9303. Mike

You're absolutely right, Mike. I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I'm actually using my 3 position FLAP switch to activate my spoilerons, not the AUX 2 switch. I'm using the 3 position AUX 2 switch for triple throw rates on ailerons, elevator, and rudder. That's what I get for answering the question without having my radio in hand.

Jim

[LAdams]

	Quote: Originally Posted by billd3
	I want to program Frons And Sprons on my JR 9303 and assign Both to the 3 position AUX2 switch with 0 position being Frons , 1 position(middle) being "OFF", and 2 position being Sprons...Is that possible and if so, how? Thanks in advance.

I set up my flaps on Aux2 and flight modes on the "Flap" switch for my planes.On the initial plane setup screen (Where you hold the ENT button down when you power on the TX) Select "Device Select" and set "Flight Mode" to "Flap SW"Then on the same page, move over to the "FLAP" menu item and click it and select "AUX2 SW".Then at the bottom, under "FLAP" set the entry to "SYS."Next, back on the main menu (By pressing the "ENT" button) for the aircraft select "Flap SYS." set flap to:NORM U 30%MID 0 %LAND D 30%and on my extra I set ELEV to:NORM U 8%mid 0%LAND D 8%THat's it! The elevator amount will be very aircraft specific and ALWAYS test at altitiude

Oh and if one of the switchs isn't available to select for something, then most likely you just need to "INH" (Inhibit) its normal/default function. I.e. to make the AUX 2 switch available for flaps you may need to INH it on the Device Setup page first... THen it'll show up in the list of available switches under the FLAP entry

[mjws00]

Seems to be a little confusion here between spoilerons and spoilers, flaperons and flaps. The built in flap system can ONLY do an offset mix. i.e it will give a set amount of flaps or spoilers and the programmed offset for elevator to compensate. It can be assigned to either 3 position switch. But it is NOT proportional.

There is a pre-existing proportional ELEV->FLAP mix built in that can be set up as either flaperons or spoilerons. But it only has two possible values Pos0 and Pos1. There is no way to assign 3 different mixing rates i.e negative, off, positive. You can assign pos0/pos1 to any flightmode or any listed 2 position switch. (FM0, FM1, FM2, AIL, GER, RUD, MIX). So if you wish to burn your flightmode flexibility, you could dedicate it to spoileron, off, flaperon using the built in mix and one pmix. This wasn't an option viable for me as I consider flight modes vital.

There is no possible way the 3 position switches can be used for mixing. They are RESERVED for Flight Modes, Flap Sys, or Gyro Sys. Neither curve mix (1 or 2) can be assigned to a 3 pos switch, nor can the other mixes where you can see all 6 possible options. There is only pos0 or Pos 1 never 0,1,2. No capacity to use our second 3 position switch is available beyond the 'canned' systems.

I'd love to be wrong and there may be some other crazy work around. But I haven't seen it and I'm a programmer radio geek at heart. On the 9C or higher Futaba radios you just assign spoilerons to any of the positions on a 3 pos switch (C or E), off to the center, flaperons to the otherside. On the 9303 best you can do is something like ail switch on/off for flaperons, elev switch on/off for spoilerons. Use flight modes for DR/EXP.

I've tested every way I can think of, so have many other sharp radio gurus with no solution. Including the Horizon guys as far as I know. The software simply isn't flexible enough.

Mike

[billd3]

Well, I was hoping for a miracle...I experimnented with it till I was blue in the face and just couldn't find a way... maybe JR needs to work on that.

Thanks for the replies!

[FireFighterFSFD]

I dont know about your guys but if this is what your talking about then yes it is possible. this is what I have set up:
on one 3 pos switch your have a regular flight control, to a mix so when you give it full up elev then you you both ail. straight up (spoilers) and full down elev gives you full down ail on both sides (flaps), and then the last pos is just the opp. full up elev gives you full down flap and full elev give you full up spoiler.
I put it in my futaba stuff and a friends jr stuff. they are exponitial to each other so it is not hit the switch and they jump to flaps or spoilers or any thing they just move with your elev.


What exactly are you trying to make it do?

[MadMonkey]

I had several mixes on my UCanDo, using my heli version 9303.

Flight Mode (Aux 4) switch is a 3-position on the upper left; I had it set up so that centered, the ailerons were neutral. Pushing it forward, the ailerons would turn upward acting as spoilers (with appropriate elevator correction). Flipping it toward me, the ailerons would go down, acting as flaperons (also with elevator correction).

I also assigned another mix to the elevator DR switch (I use the Aux 2 3-position for DR) which would mix flaps to elevator; elevator up, flaps down, elevator down, flaps up. Plus another mix to do the opposite. I also had an ailevator mix.

So I what the OP was asking is possible, but I don't know how much different the airplane 9303 is from the heli...