Down in flames

[mavacpjm71]

Its a shame either way...but too me it did not look like a glitch from turn on, it looked like something on the aircraft failed...but with the crash, it will never be truly known what did occur, if it was someone turning on...man i wouldn't want to be that person - the guilt would be overwhelming....hope if it was, that the person fesses up to it...someday..... Dave - sorry that happened man...it was a beautiful jet, and those high speed passes were unreal!!!

[JAS]

Why is it so hard for some to understand that my brother has determined what went wrong and yet say it was something else? Radio interference was the cause of the crash. I'm sorry that's not acceptable to some, but that's what it was.

End of story!

[Dangerous Dan]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JAS
	Why is it so hard for some to understand that my brother has determined what went wrong and yet say it was something else? Radio interference was the cause of the crash. I'm sorry that's not acceptable to some, but that's what it was. End of story!

Right on Jason, these conspiracy theories suck. If your investigations indicate it was interference then it was

With over 550 pilots somebody in the pits, in there camper, or with a foamy by the pond could have switched their transmitter on momentaratily then said ohh crap when they heard the crash.

I bet there were over 1000 72mhz radios on location, with 50 alowable frequencys, probability states there were around 20 or more radios on that frequency, a lot of radios are synthazized and can be on any frequency. I don't beleve it was intentional, somebody likely just turned on their radio for a sec to check their battery level or something causing a glitch.

As for those that say there was a scanner and all was clear that is BS, because all the scanner would have shown it that the jets frequency was in use, It could not tell if a second radio was turned on.

[porcupineace]

	Quote: Originally Posted by luv2flyguy
	It's still all about safety guys, I know we can all speculate and assume sooner or later it's going to happen and when it does I just have one question. What will we do for a hobby then? I not trying to be a wet blanket or a sour puss but we should look at things and ask ourselves is it really worth it, I remember when this hobby use to be fun now if you're not flying a 40% plane some places don't even want you to get you stuff out of the van or trailer, one reason I did not attend this year, it's turned into a competition instead of a hobby, I just hope and pray no one gets injured or even worse someday. I still like the hobby and it's a great past time for us all but we must draw a line in the sand somewhere. God Bless all.

when someone, no matter who it is, hits someone or some people(MY GOD)your friend,your wife, your kid.....it WILL ALL COME TO A STOP. Being that close to a jet model that fast is going to kill ,repeat KILL somebody, someday. BE READY. IT WILL HAPPEN! We are all human, and it takes an accident of great proportions to remind us we are all crazy for even thinking about being close to a jet of that size and speed....if the pilots wish to be that close o.k. -we know the risks.....but the spectators, other pilots, families should be kept back at least 100 feet if not more from the flight line. I love jets....sorry for the guys loss.... but he and everyone ther is REAL LUCKY that it crashed low , flat and straight.CHANGE THE RULES FOR SPECTATORS>AND I DONT CARE WHOS FLYING.

[JAS]

I'm not saying that he wasn't lucky, I'm just saying, the thread goes every other way than what actually happened. Even after the findings are posted it still goes off track. You want to talk about what if's, what coulda's or I think's, start a new thread.

When I was living in Tucson, there was a pilot who was actually killed by his own trainer when he lost it in the sun and hit himself in the chest. I can be walking down by the lake here and get eaten by an alligator. We take risks daily, but I know that my brother and I try to minimize those risks to others when we fly at events like this. If something is completely out of our control, then there is nothing we, or anyone, could do. David and I went to our tent and closed it off and talked about it. You don't think he was shaken by this? All he could talk about was the what if's. After watching the video, as soon as he saw the down, he was right into the up. He did what he could until there was nothing left to save. We can't win them all, and we try not to make it dangerous, but there is only so much that we can do as pilots.

[JimC-MD]

JAS,

I for one accept the findings. It fits. After watching the slow motion video on Friday night, all I can say is David's reactions are inhuman! At almost the instant the plane pitched down he was on the stick. The video in this thread, from another angle, appears to show the plane try to react to the input. It was not failsafed yet is the only supposition I will put out. He is a great pilot and if I am going to be in the vicinity of a jet of that class being flown that way, he would be one of a short list I would want on the sticks.

David, thanks for an awesome demonstration of skill with a jet and I am sorry you lost a plane.

If there is a person out there that has something to get off their shoulders I wish they would do it for the good of the whole community.

[50%plane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JAS
	Why is it so hard for some to understand that my brother has determined what went wrong and yet say it was something else? Radio interference was the cause of the crash.

Human nature. We've all blamed it on a radio glitch or "somebody shot me down" It just becomes hard to accept that from a top pilot flying top quality equipment It was a beautiful plane and a total shame. So what are we gong to do about it? Folks, let's go big and fly hard. Keyboard huckin ain't where we need to be when it comes to this accident.(and if you look in past pages, you'll see that I'm now a hypocrite)



50%

[Ion01]

It just kills me how people can be given an explanation by those who were there, experienced it, analized the part, ran test, etc. and people reject it to form there own conclusions based on a low resolution video! I work in quality control and it just kills me how I can have months on testing and facts and figures and math and the kitchen sink but people will ignore it all to form there own conclusions based upon heresay and such. Aside from all that, even in the low res. video the movement looks like the elevator deflecting down....just like what was found in the tests.....it doesn't look like the wing or flutter or anything else and that is what I saw in the vid before even seeing the assumptions and explanations. Just like the QQ accident.....everyone assumes there is a hidden agenda. Once again, I get the same thing in quality control.

[CSpaced]

Ion01 - dude, your avatar cracks me up every time

I can't help but feel that poor Dave is getting all this attention only because he is a high profile pilot who had a spectacular crash. He wasn't the first jet to crash and burn at Joe Nall this year, there was one the day before but no-one is mentioning that? There was a whole host of crashes from propped planes, including a twin that went sailing off into the horizon, a giant scale pylon racer that flew straight at and over the spectators on take off, and a composite that rained down debris that could very well have gone into the spectators.

My point is, give the guy a break, we all crash - some bigger than others for one reason or another. He figured out the cause, kept everyone informed of his test results, and did everything he absolutely could to ensure a safe flight.

[porcupineace]

what kills me is that you are all trying to figure the cause....fine. Have facts and figures...fine.It doesnt take a idiot to tell ya that evryone was too close.end of story.Just think of ways to make it safer so we dont have what if's.....pick it apart and put it together doesnt solve the issue of safety.THAT SHOULD BE YOUR MAIN CONCERN.PERIOD. You guys, myself included owe that to the public at large.take those to the forefront,instead of worrying about who or what was at fault..... what if john doe across the field put his radio on for a second....does it matter or are you blind to the fact that a real tragic ending could have befallen all of you.grow up. wise up. take it upon yourselves to police this situation and make new safer rules.AFTER ALL, YOU ARENT THE ONLY ONES AT THE FIELD.AND THATS MY TWO BITS.WANNA FLY AT ALL? YOU WONT IF YOU DONT HELP FIX A PROBLEM SUCH AS THIS.

[porcupineace]

AND I'M not TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE PILOT....HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. i just want to be sure that a tragedy doesnt happen. electronics have gliches,planes fall apart from stresses being put to them, engines quit , batteries fail, but as humans, we can make sure that a scary situ like this remains a safe accident away from others.(why does it always take a tragedy to make humans react and make changes???)

[porcupineace]

p.s.: and i love watching jets fly!