CRRC Pro GF26I

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2robinhood
	OK, not trying to bust ball$ here...... BUT Please correct me if I am wrong. I believe dealinrc is rconlysite. If you all remember in between post number 285, 286, and 287 the mediator canceled these post. dealinrc posted: Why ever would you buy this engine from a seller in Canada, when you can buy it from a dealer here in the U.S. Even in the thread here on Giants ( comparable motor to crrrc 26cc? ) dealinrc says: CRRC changed carbs 2 months ago. The difference is the way the choke is hooked up to work with the throttle. In the last month I have sold over 60 of these engines with no problems. Well, there are two engines bought from rconlysite that are having problems and it seems that rconlysite is not helping them. Now Ray from paragon RC is going to work on FLZman engine for him. He is not the one that sold the engine, but is willing to make it work. Hey, he is a dealer in Canada..................How about that................ Ray is a CRRC dealer and he will do what it take since he flys the CRRC banner. The better these engine run, the better he and every CRRC dealer will do in sales. Now to me, ( this may not be the case ) rconlysite took the money and has dropped the ball on everything else. If you find a dealer like Ray at Paragon, buy from him. This is a prime example of why Ray gets all my CRRC buisness and will continue to. With his service, I don't care where he is from. ( except Iraq ). FLZman, I am sure Ray will hook you up with your engine. As far as the question ( why would you ever buy from a dealer in Canada, when there is a dealer right here in the U.S. ) Buy from where you get the service, USA, Canada, Mexico, China, etc. Service is 95% of the bottom line. This is only my opinion and no dig against rconlysite, since I have never done buisness with them. But hey, dealinrc / rconlysite....... chime in, stand up to the plate for these guys.

You do not know the whole story and you are not doing Ray any favours. I sold Mike an engine, shipped it out fast, he set it up and ran it than told me he was having troubles with it. He claims to have lots of gas experience >I had him send it back which he did and we set it up here. I mounted it on my Texan which is a 13 lb airplane and flew it all day. When it left here it ran perfect abd I have witnesses to that. He gets it back and says it is doing the same thing. I told him to send it back which he did and I sent him a brand new engine. He ran a tank through it and emailed me that it ran well. Next thing I know is he enails me that it is running bad, meanwhile we bolted his old engine on to a new cmp Katana and flew it all day sunday putting it through the paces. it ran flawless So it that is not standing up to the plate than I do not know what is. I have a lot of repeat happy customers out there and work hard at keeping them happy. So good luck Ray you are going to wish you never got involved

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2robinhood
	Clearly on the big lime yellow label on my CRRC bos it say: Never remove the idle speed holding spring. On page 4 of my manual is says: Important: Do not remove the carburetor spring as the spring helps keep the carburetor butterfly alighned properly. Doesn't that DO NOT mean something? But you are saying to release the spring and it will work perfectly? Mine is still on and mine is working perfectly. How about yours Ken? Also how can you prove it?

Just release the spring don't remove it. All the engines at our field is set up that way and there is no problems. I have witnesses that saw what I did to his original motor. and saw that it turned a 16/8 prop at 8800 rpm and droped down to 1800 and it is not even broken in yet They also saw how he butchered it

[ken crane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2robinhood
	Clearly on the big lime yellow label on my CRRC bos it say: Never remove the idle speed holding spring. On page 4 of my manual is says: Important: Do not remove the carburetor spring as the spring helps keep the carburetor butterfly alighned properly. Doesn't that DO NOT mean something? But you are saying to release the spring and it will work perfectly? Mine is still on and mine is working perfectly. How about yours Ken? Also how can you prove it?

i leave the spring in place as it is a spacer for the throttle plate shaft and cut the loop where it goes over the arm. the tention on the spring isnt that strong as to overcome a servo .it has been my practice to release the tention to keep the servo living longer but this is why you dont use cheap servos on the throttle no matter what some say.
honestly i suggested that they call ray to see if he could help. as always their are 2 sides to a story. i am only here to offer my help to ANYONE that needs it and i can help. this is my hobby not a buisness. i have no intention in changing this. i however am real real good with gas engines. it shouldnt be that hard to have an engine arrive, mount it and break it in and let it rip. all 3 of mine do and did. i can only pass my experience along for the ride. i have broken a manifold on my 26 by removing the velocity stack and using too long bolts, i broke the wires from the hall sensor on my 50 and shorted the ignition on the other 50. all self inflicted by rushing . when my engines arrived the ran right out of the box. all i can say. the crrc pro 26 and 50 are the best value on the market hands down. i have no connection except i was willing to try the underdog and havent looked back since. just ask any of my flying friends. maybe someone will get a video of one of my 50s screaming thru the sky at light speed at the huckfest in a few weeks!

i think what struck a cord with some of us is that it was questioned why we would buy from canada (almost as if canada was the enemy lol) as a matter of fact there are alot of dealers in the us. more and more each week. our dealings were with ray early on before anyone else was selling the crrcpro line. ray was good to us and always provides good service at a great price. when some were asking where to get them or who to deal with we were more than happy to pass on our plesure with rays buisness. i think the jump in mid stream looking for some advertising attention went the wrong way. just speaking the truth. maybe if this gets resolved quickly everyone will be happy and more people will buy the line and further drive the prices down so all can afford gas engines. just my 3 cents for what its worth.

[2robinhood]

I may try to get to the huckfest.

dealinrc, it sounds that you are taking care of your customers and they will continue to purchase from you.
Glad you chimed in, not trying to do any digs on you.
Like I said earlier, I can not comment on your service since I have not done buisness with you.
Like I did say, the GF26I is a great engine.
I hope you have good luck with selling them.

[ken crane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2robinhood
	I may try to get to the huckfest. dealinrc, it sounds that you are taking care of your customers and they will continue to purchase from you. Glad you chimed in, not trying to do any digs on you. Like I said earlier, I can not comment on your service since I have not done buisness with you. Like I did say, the GF26I is a great engine. I hope you have good luck with selling them.

YOU AND THE BROTHER PACK UP THE WAGON AND PLAN THE VACATION OF A LIFE TIME AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO DRIVE CROSS COUNTRY. ITS FURTHER FOR US THAN YOU. WHERE ELSE CAN YOU GO AND WATCH TOTAL WHACKOS FLY LIKE THEY STOLE IT AND NOT GO TO JAIL? AND BTW THE TOTAL WHACKO COMMENT IS IN GOOD FUN.

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 2robinhood
	I may try to get to the huckfest. dealinrc, it sounds that you are taking care of your customers and they will continue to purchase from you. Glad you chimed in, not trying to do any digs on you. Like I said earlier, I can not comment on your service since I have not done buisness with you. Like I did say, the GF26I is a great engine. I hope you have good luck with selling them.

Just like you I am in it for the hobby also. Not going to make a fortune from this, but what it does is puts me in contact with many modelers through out the country and I hear about there projects, and experiences. Seems on a whole modelers are very friendly people but than there are a few where ego gets in the way

[FLZman]

Well Barry/Dealinrc, I was keeping quiet about you but you just opened a can of worms with your usual half stories. You sir are full of crap and I CAN PROVE IT. Should I post the email you sent saying the first engine was running great, I had my needles out of whack and they are now just right at 1.25 turns out? And then when the engine comes back to me, we can't get it to even start. I kept telling myself dont touch the needles, Barry has them just right. Finally after two hours, we checked the low end needle and it was 1/8 turn out!!!. High end: 1/4 turn out!@! So I emailed you back telling you what I found and you email back, I don't know where needles are, I just left them where it flew! Well which one is it bud? Show me an engine that will run with needles set like this and I will personally send you a apology, aint going to happen. As far offering me a new engine???? Please, YOU SIR sent the first one back with broken intake and I have witnesses that were there when I pulled it out of box at field! Between the needle "story" and the broken intake, I demanded another engine. I have to go through all kind of emails back and forth until you agree and then give me a story about you will send it Monday, nope Tuesday, nope Wed..............And you have the nerve to actually state you stood up and offered a new engine?
On the second engine, yes I got to run one tank through it at idle, high idle and it ran so yep I sent you an email saying it was doing much better, I mean it ran. And then next day when I posted for help, not mentioning anything about where I got it from or you, you decide to once again chime in and send me a nasty email, should I post that to????? You arent who you are trying to portray here and if anyone who is thinking about buying from you would like proof jsut shoot me a pm and I will copy paste your lovely emails with the bull**** and all.
Like I said, should have stayed out of this or at least left me out of it but you have put my integrity at question on a public forum so game on. You should have never wrote in emails what you did, I save emails and everyone can learn real dealinrc which is much like the one that keeps getting his post deleted by moderators.

[3Dguy]

This is troubling indeed.

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	I think Ray will find the same thing we did. There is nothing wrong with the motor, just the way you set it up. If you read the instructions and released the spring on the carb it would work perfect. How do you expect instant throttle control when you are fighting the spring. All you will do is burn out servos. Your first engine that you sent back is flying a 3d cmp katana. You did the same thing on that engine as well as busting the carb block and also putting the intake gasket in backwards so it covered up the purge hole. That is why your high speed needles did not work. I did not want to embarase you here but how you can praise the Canadian Dealer when I did so much to make you happy. I made your engine run right, you messed it up, and I can prove it.

BTW: If you truly believe that the spring is whats causing it to not transition at all, meaning cant make it get past high idle without dieing, then I suggest you just continue selling engine and please stop handing out advice. I have a 100 twin, two 50's and a 26cc that all have springs and transition just fine. Short of using a 9gram mini electric servo (which still wil open carb), the servos we use can easily open a carb at any speed I want. I imagine there a few here with this particular motor that still have spring attached with no problems. BTW: You also emailed me and said I was the very first person to have ANY problems with this motor.............hmmmmm. Another half truth Barry?

Am I pissed now? Damn right I am. I was nothing but curtious and professional to you on phone and emails during my problems and you come on here and blast my integrity as well as my capabilities WITHOUT even knowing me. Class act. You wont find one post made by me saying anything about the fishy stuff going on until now. I am not in the forum pissing match game like you, I just posted looking for help to get an engine running and found some or at least someone who is willing to try. Something tells me when Ray sends my motor back, it will actually be as he finished with it.

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by FLZman
	Well Barry/Dealinrc, I was keeping quiet about you but you just opened a can of worms with your usual half stories. You sir are full of crap and I CAN PROVE IT. Should I post the email you sent saying the first engine was running great, I had my needles out of whack and they are now just right at 1.25 turns out? And then when the engine comes back to me, we can't get it to even start. I kept telling myself dont touch the needles, Barry has them just right. Finally after two hours, we checked the low end needle and it was 1/8 turn out!!!. High end: 1/4 turn out!@! So I emailed you back telling you what I found and you email back, I don't know where needles are, I just left them where it flew! Well which one is it bud? Show me an engine that will run with needles set like this and I will personally send you a apology, aint going to happen. As far offering me a new engine???? Please, YOU SIR sent the first one back with broken intake and I have witnesses that were there when I pulled it out of box at field! Between the needle "story" and the broken intake, I demanded another engine. I have to go through all kind of emails back and forth until you agree and then give me a story about you will send it Monday, nope Tuesday, nope Wed..............And you have the nerve to actually state you stood up and offered a new engine? On the second engine, yes I got to run one tank through it at idle, high idle and it ran so yep I sent you an email saying it was doing much better, I mean it ran. And then next day when I posted for help, not mentioning anything about where I got it from or you, you decide to once again chime in and send me a nasty email, should I post that to????? You arent who you are trying to portray here and if anyone who is thinking about buying from you would like proof jsut shoot me a pm and I will copy paste your lovely emails with the bull**** and all. Like I said, should have stayed out of this or at least left me out of it but you have put my integrity at question on a public forum so game on. You should have never wrote in emails what you did, I save emails and everyone can learn real dealinrc which is much like the one that keeps getting his post deleted by moderators.

When i sent that engine back to you It was running perfect, I have witnesses to that effect. When we got it back here again you had messed it up more. You had broken the carb block and also put the gasket in backwards which covers up the purge hole. With all the 26cc out there runnuing great why would you get 2 that are trouble. Maybe you should take up golf. If you keep this up I will shoot some video of your old engine performing 3d and post it. Just a lesson for people out there, here is what you get when you try and help someone

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	When i sent that engine back to you It was running perfect, I have witnesses to that effect. When we got it back here again you had messed it up more. You had broken the carb block and also put the gasket in backwards which covers up the purge hole. With all the 26cc out there runnuing great why would you get 2 that are trouble. Maybe you should take up golf. If you keep this up I will shoot some video of your old engine performing 3d and post it. Just a lesson for people out there, here is what you get when you try and help someone

And I am sure everyone will believe you barry that is the same engine, please. With this post, I think you just answered everyone's question on who has integrity and who doesn't. Thats right I broke the intake. As far as gasket, who knows, once the crack you sent it back with broke all the way through I just slapped it back together and sent it your way. It all had to be replaced anyway, who cares which way the gasket was when I loosely put everything back together.
Nice remarks, take up golf. I assure you not only can I outfly you, but guarantee you I can tune better than you. You have proven your knowledge of engines is limited with the silly spring idea. You never did answer how an engine runs perfectly at 1/8 out on low and 1/4 out on high. Woops, no wait a minute, according to you it was 1.25 out on each. No wait a minute, you dont remember what it was now, it just ran. Whatever.

As far the original engine running so great now. I practically begged you to replace the ignition as well as engine and finally you relunctally agreed or I thought so. See, in front of a couple members, I put a little mark on ignition before packing it up to verify it was replaced. Funny this ignition has same little mark.............hmmmmm.

Well, here we go Mr. barry. I am one to put my money where my mouth is instead of bickering. I will hold off sending this motor to Ray but here is deal. You live 150 miles or so from here. I will pay you 150 dollars plus gas money if you can come up and make this engine run well enough to 3d an airplane. If you can't, you pay me 150 bucks and go home. How about it, lets see what "I" screwed up this time bud. It will be a friendly environment, heck you can even bring something to fly.
Need to know quick, was about to pack it up for shipment. The offer is on table. Come show everyone your tuning skills.

Z

[FLZman]

Anyway, back to some funner talk.

Thinking about building another plane for this crrc once it is running. Can anyone suggest a plane that this engine will hover and torque roll with some pullout left? Was looking at the FuntanaX. Any experience?

Z