Composite model 100"-120" Choice

[freezer]

My largest rc model was 50cc QQ YAK. For next season I'm loking towards 100" to 120" composite model. I fly 3D mostly and can not decide which model to choose.
I was looking toward Composite ARF 100" Yak-55SP, but than realised that it has same wing loading as 110" EF YAK, which is more than average wing loading on 100" balsa model. We have restricted space for landing on asphalt (it is not possible to land on gras), I do not have any problems with landing my QQ YAK, but guys with EF 110" YAK, Lembeck 88" Extra and Great planes 78" extra become sweaty on landing. And that is why I have decided that I must think over my purchase. I don't havy any preferences except that I do not want to buy Katana.
Which composite in 100-120" range model might be the best 3D perfomer ?
And which one will need less landing space, it's not main concern, but I will not have to go to more distant flying field, for me that's an advantage.

[Last Toy]

Any of them are good, money's no object? Buy a krill, or votec. For now, learn how to land your 50cc Yak with as little runway as possible. You should be able to land that plane in under 30', 20' actually. Come in parallel to the runway, and do an hook, or 180 bleeding off airspeed, you'll be amazed at how little runway you can get away with...

[freezer]

I'm not sure that I'v got the part with hook clear, as my english is far from perfect, but I'm almost harriering.
By votec you mean Composite ARF MX-2 ?
What about Krill model ARF kits, earlier I'v heard rumors that there is lot of work to do. We have visited EXFC and Krill models were selling few of their models for cheap prices (600-800 euros), but on those even elerons were not cut, and cuting those might be not easiest part. What about other their usual price ARF kits ?
And Krill don't even mention anything about wing area at all.

Thank you.

[rpasznicki]

You'll be able to land a carf 100" yak shorter than most planes in that class. It is quite a draggy design that slows down really quickly and the undercarriage is the most solid design there is so even if you have to put it down quite hard it can take it. mine is four years old and taken heaps of abuse and still going strong and I can fly it in unlimited IMAC competitivley.
yak 55.jpg

[hpapilot]

Freezer, I suggest you ask a buddy for flight on their 110" EF Yak and see what you think. It's a big airplane for 100cc, will land in no distance, and is an AWESOME 3D performer.

If guys are having that much trouble landing these, I suspect they don't have it idled down properly... in any case, you can always harrier land it. How much runway do you have?

RJ

[Last Toy]

Nice scheme, my fav, I have the shuleman scheme

	Quote: Originally Posted by rpasznicki
	You'll be able to land a carf 100" yak shorter than most planes in that class. It is quite a draggy design that slows down really quickly and the undercarriage is the most solid design there is so even if you have to put it down quite hard it can take it. mine is four years old and taken heaps of abuse and still going strong and I can fly it in unlimited IMAC competitivley. Attachment 212630

[freezer]

We have probably around 130 feet probably more (haven't measured it), but problem is that it's narrow asphalt strip and after landig models keep rolling much further as it is on gras runways. Even with springs or fuel tubing on axles, which we are using. And you do not feel comfortable when you have to land on first feets of the strip.
That guy with 110" YAk is flying much longer and better than me, but he had only few flights with this model, so probably we will see shorter landings in future.
I haven't flown 110" YAK but I have flown Lembeck 90" Extra, if compare it to QQ YAK it is very dificult plane to land in restricted space (from aside 110" Yak didn't look much different on landing) and that scares me, because I'm looking toward model with same wing load.

May I ask weight and setup of your CARF Yaks ?

[rpasznicki]

I have landed mine in half the length of a 100 feet asphalt runway after having to drop over tall trees about 40 feet from the runway threshold and you got to stop quick because the runway is built on a hill and there is a 8 foot vertical drop at the end of the strip so once you learn how the plane handels at lower speed it should be a breeze.
Wing load is relative to the weight of the plane,the lighter the plane the lower the wing loading. I have an older da 100 with MTW 75 cans
power box champion
powerbox 2800 Lipo flight pack x2
Hitech 5955tg 2 per aileron 1 per elevator half
2x 9152 futaba servos for rudder and a standard servo for throttle
AUW 27.56 pound so mine is far from the lightest setup you can get especially with the new generation high torque servos LiFe batteries you could go one servo per controll surface and mabye an 85 single, should fly like a big foamy.

[freezer]

Just found, that wing area of 3m Krilla Yak 54 is 3193 sq." and wing area of 2,6m Kril Sukhoi is 2542 sq.inches.