THE NEW MT 57CC ENGINE

[bcchi]

	Quote: Originally Posted by jrjohn
	If saying goodnight upset you, why did you ramble on about the Chinese putting you out of business? Like I told Jake, when you can't argue with the facts, look for spelling errors and change the subject! Heck, If I run spell check, you and Jake will have nothing to argue with me about, we don't want that! It's good to see you made a smart business decision getting on board with the Chinese. I commend you for that. And I'll say it again, GOODNIGHT to the chainsaw conversions. In my opinion their days are numbered. When that happens where are the guys with these engines going to buy their parts? I say this because it's happened to me. I bought a Chainsaw conversion years ago, I'll skip the name. Naturally it came apart and needed to be sent in for repair. There was a little problem, the guy discontinued his business for whatever reason. (started up again later) Phone and e-mail were not answered, there I sat with a motor needing parts with no idea what chainsaw they came from. I put the Chainsaw motor in a cabinet next to the laundry detergent and it sits there to this day. Bought myself DA's DL's 3W's and never looked back. I fully understand your relationship to the chainsaw conversion builders, you sell them products. As their sales fall off, a part of yours will as well. That obviously upsets you. As for your comment about what you are and where your from..... I don't know what to tell you except I'm sorry to hear that. John NOT IN THE RC BUSINESS, NOT ON THE PAYROLL, MY OPINION IS NOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. DON'T ACCEPT FREE MOTORS SO I WILL TROLL THE INTERNET SELLING THEM

I have to agree with you I believe the days of the chainsaw conversions are limited.but there is still some mighty fine chainsaw conversions being built. Taurus,FPE,Foxjust to name a few.These engines will still be flying when a lot of the new engines are gone or junked.
I really do not believe the Chinese are going to put me out of business.It may just be time for me to retire. If I done that look at all the fun I would be missing .I retired once and did not like that much. I have no real relationship with the Chainsaw engine builders ,most of them have bailed out oweing me money one for $15000. I no this was my fault but I thought I was being the good guy.
Some that do not owe me money are Al Willert A&M,BME,Walker Manchine ,Quadra,US Engines.Wolf Engines plus a few more.Brillelli does NOT owe me money.
The Ignition business has been good to me and my family 28 years.I guess I will stay around just to see what happens next.
BCCHI I am tired of this game already Im gone.I will not spell check either.I cannot believe I wasted time doing this.

[schrader]

	Quote: Originally Posted by mflander
	I feel like I'm on a road trip with my 8 and 6 year old daughter after reading this thread.

Well said.......

I was under the illusion that this was a discussion thread on the MT 57 engine.....

I have one. I haven't had the opportunity to install it in a plane yet and have only had minimal run time on it so far. The improvements on the engine (timing and reeds) are a part of an improvement process that has occured on numerous brands of engines. Those of us that have been in the hobby for 40+ years remember when very few engines would perform well without modifications. This "continous improvement" is part of the hobby. You share experience, modify and experiment and the whole hobby grows because of that effort. New products are developed in response to those efforts and we all benefit......even those that sit back and criticize.

Schrader

[Super08]

Well said!!!

[hughes500e]

	Quote: Originally Posted by schrader
	Well said....... I was under the illusion that this was a discussion thread on the MT 57 engine..... I have one. I haven't had the opportunity to install it in a plane yet and have only had minimal run time on it so far. The improvements on the engine (timing and reeds) are a part of an improvement process that has occured on numerous brands of engines. Those of us that have been in the hobby for 40+ years remember when very few engines would perform well without modifications. This "continous improvement" is part of the hobby. You share experience, modify and experiment and the whole hobby grows because of that effort. New products are developed in response to those efforts and we all benefit......even those that sit back and criticize. Schrader

I think this is someone we all know LOL............
edit: ah never mind!

[krayzc]

i have been away did i miss anything?

[Super08]

lol

[schrader]

	Quote: Originally Posted by hughes500e
	I think this is someone we all know LOL............ edit: ah never mind!

Hughes500e,
Just who, exactly, do you think I am.....

Schrader

[hughes500e]

	Quote: Originally Posted by krayzc
	i have been away did i miss anything?

NO

[locutus]

Hello

All said and done. Which engine would you chose for your 50cc class bird a DL 50 or the mt 57? I have a extreme flight 88" EXTRA 300

[schrader]

Locutus,
I have the MT-57...I haven't even had a chance to run it yet (life gets in the way) so I can't tell you any more than what has already been written in these forums. The DL-50 has a pretty good track record and a large sample base is in use, so the information should have averaged out enough so there is a true indication of the performance and reliablilty of the engine. The MT-57 is still a "young" engine and time will tell on both the performance and reliability. Inital reports indicate that the MT-57 will slightly outperform the DL-50....there is no substitute for cubic inches.....as the saying goes.... I believe the difference will not be substantial. My reason for choosing the MT-57 was that it was going into a large biplane and it was a toss up between the DL-50, modified G-62 and the MT-57. The 62 and 57 seem to handle the larger props a little better and the G-62 seems to like a higher rpm range than the MT-57. The biplane has a large cowl, so I'll need a larger prop at lower rpm so I chose the MT-57......and it was less expensive than the modified G-62. Any of the 50 to 60 class engines will fly your plane....you won't be limited by "prop disk area" as I was, so look at your all up weight vs static thrust....not rpm, if the majority of your flying will be 3D. If your looking at IMAC you'll have to also consider "prop pitch speed" (gets more complicated) to keep the speed of the plane up for proper tracking. The extreme flight planes are light weight, so in your case, I'd problably go with the DL-50 and keep it light.... IMHO.

Schrader

[jrjohn]

	Quote: Originally Posted by jrjohn
	If saying goodnight upset you, why did you ramble on about the Chinese putting you out of business? Like I told Jake, when you can't argue with the facts, look for spelling errors and change the subject! Heck, If I run spell check, you and Jake will have nothing to argue with me about, we don't want that! It's good to see you made a smart business decision getting on board with the Chinese. I commend you for that. And I'll say it again, GOODNIGHT to the chainsaw conversions. In my opinion their days are numbered. When that happens where are the guys with these engines going to buy their parts? I say this because it's happened to me. I bought a Chainsaw conversion years ago, I'll skip the name. Naturally it came apart and needed to be sent in for repair. There was a little problem, the guy discontinued his business for whatever reason. (started up again later) Phone and e-mail were not answered, there I sat with a motor needing parts with no idea what chainsaw they came from. I put the Chainsaw motor in a cabinet next to the laundry detergent and it sits there to this day. Bought myself DA's DL's 3W's and never looked back. I fully understand your relationship to the chainsaw conversion builders, you sell them products. As their sales fall off, a part of yours will as well. That obviously upsets you. As for your comment about what you are and where your from..... I don't know what to tell you except I'm sorry to hear that. John NOT IN THE RC BUSINESS, NOT ON THE PAYROLL, MY OPINION IS NOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. DON'T ACCEPT FREE MOTORS SO I WILL TROLL THE INTERNET SELLING THEM

remember this post? two weeks later and the engine builder we were referring to was out of business. I hear he's not answering phone calls or e-mail. There is talk that some people lost money and or they didn't get their motors back that were in for repair. I didn't want to be right, but I thought it was an easy call.

John

[jrjohn]

edited by jr