Snap Rolls... I've been wrong all this time..

[DKnippen]

The next time I get out to practice the Unlimited sequence I'll try using just elevator and rudder only on the pull to vertical, two positive snaps up. Should end up all jacked up and get me a zero to boot.

[Wayne]

No. No set up for snaps.

My rate I fly around on is set up to do everything I need including snaps.
The only time I change anything is for Hammerheads and rollers. I use a slightly higher rudder rate for that.
The models we fly have such comparably lighter wing loadings than a full scale plane that aileron is a must with rudder and elevator.

[wizard]

	Quote: Originally Posted by JimC-MD
	Yea, but have have all that super secret sponsor supplied electromagic and a Built by a Wizard plane. Go back in your corner.

It might have been built by A wizard but not by THE Wizard. LOL

[Scott Gerber]

	Quote: Originally Posted by whirlyspud
	Anyone remember the old radios that had the snap roll buttons. On those the button controlled the ail,ele, and rudder. Mike

Old radios?..... I just received last week a brand spankin new JR 10X with a big black shinny snap roll button on the upper left corner of the case....lol

Scott

[matus777]

Anyone know this Innovator character? Your technique sucks pal......you owe me an airplane and you should delete/edit your post so nobody else attempts that crap!

[Tired Old Man]

A fair percentage of our giant aerobats will indeed execute a very respectable snap using only the elevators and rudder. All it takes is the right amount of deflection and timing. Some of the larger Yaks and Sukhois can do a pretty nice full snap using rudder alone. It's not about how fast the plane rotates, but in what manner and the accurracy of the maneuver.

If you want it super fast and tight then use the ailerons as well. Personally I prefer to use all of the controls but I've been quite surprised and successful using only the two used in full scale with my models.

[50%plane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by matus777
	Anyone know this Innovator character? Your technique sucks pal......you owe me an airplane and you should delete/edit your post so nobody else attempts that crap!

???

I'm assuming that you're serious....

Innovator's method is one that I've seen before. It works if that's the way you setup your airplane.


50%

[eagle1]

I always use the three for the snap, have done with just elev. and rudder on my much smaller extra but it just puts more POW in the manuver if you use all three

[Zee]

My old Zlin 526 use to do very predictable 1/2 snap, from straight and level pull back elevator quick and you got 1/2 snap without rudder imput.
I have video from World Aerobatic Championships where you can see on cockpit cam the pilot movement in snap with Sukhoi. Stick back and instantly over in the corner, what is that mean?????, yes aileron.

[3DHobbyShop]

Actually, Scott's advice for doing snaps discusses pro-snap aileron quite a bit...somebody must have missed that part.

[Rebel]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Zee
	My old Zlin 526 use to do very predictable 1/2 snap, from straight and level pull back elevator quick and you got 1/2 snap without rudder imput. I have video from World Aerobatic Championships where you can see on cockpit cam the pilot movement in snap with Sukhoi. Stick back and instantly over in the corner, what is that mean?????, yes aileron.

Can you upload this video online? If not, where can i find it. Thanks!

[hillmanr2]

I watched a very good video some years back on a site that now is almost non-existent. Anywho they did the little screen to see the sticks and showed the plane while talking through the maneuver.
It has worked very well for me

#1 bump elevator to show pitch change
#2 go hard aileron/rudder while removing elevator
#3 come off rudder and stop the rotation with the ailerons.

Cheating? I don't know, plane is stalled and rotates, looses very little energy and almost no perceptible altitude.