Rolling circle question

[marcwv]

I am wondering how most of you create the circle in the rolling circle.
I seem to be adding in Right rudder a little early as the plane starts to rotate away from inverted , in a left rolling circle,. To make it go left.
Does this seem the standard way? I hear european pilots do it differently.

[Vic3D]

Just advance your timing a little bit and it will keep circling.

[bodywerks]

If you are rolling left and circling to the left, you need to getting out of the right rudder as are rolling from inverted to upright, not adding it.
On the roller you are talking about, you are at about the maximum amount of right rudder when you are exactly inverted. As you continue to roll left, you start to let off the rudder while increasing down elevator. By the time you are at about a 75 degree angle, all your right rudder should be about gone, as you need to start adding left rudder as you approache knife edge to maintain altitude, and so forth...

[Xpress..]

I just use up and down elevator. It doesn't exactly produce a very clean rolling circle, but it will do it as long as I give the inputs.

I have seen some foamies (Sypher from Insane Foamies) that will roll all day long with just aileron. How is that acheived?

[mflander]

5 oz airplane that is neutral in all aoa's... foamy technology is crazy. When will we see airbrakes in our IMAC birds? lol.

[Edge 540]

When they scrap the 10% rule....(hopefully never!)

[kellyleak]

I know this is my first post, but here is some tips.

1. Throttle management, this pushes extra air over the tail surfaces to give them more effect at critical parts of a maneuver without causing the plane to pick up speed.

2. Be smooth with your controls, if your going from gimbal stop to gimbal stop youre likely over controlling.

3. Practice Knife edge flight, then roll the plane and practice it in the other direction.

Everybody does their rollers different I find myself controlling my altitude/attitude of my plane with my rudder and changing the direction/turning with my elevator. But heres another thing I noticed I do. Say I want to hold my plane in one place and do a rolling elevator. I end up rolling left, and controlling altitude with my elevator and when I'm inverted kicking my rudder around usually left to adjust my planes direction. Whats funny about that is its completely opposite of how I would do it if I was wanting to do a circle.

[AZ Dog]

This is my first post also but I'll throw in two or three cents.

You don't say which way you are rolling but the easiest way to do rolling circles is to roll right and circle left (CCW as viewed from above) or roll left and circle right CW as viewed from above). The reason is that doing them this way causes your rudder and elevator inputs to work with you instead of against you.

It's hard to explain with words but if you take a small foamie or other small model that you can hold in your hand and go through the manuever and see what the control surfaces are doing, you will see what I mean.

You can do them opposite from what I just said and it is good practice to do so but when starting out, try doing it as I describe above.

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by AZ Dog
	This is my first post also but I'll throw in two or three cents. You don't say which way you are rolling but the easiest way to do rolling circles is to roll right and circle left (CCW as viewed from above) or roll left and circle right CW as viewed from above). The reason is that doing them this way causes your rudder and elevator inputs to work with you instead of against you. It's hard to explain with words but if you take a small foamie or other small model that you can hold in your hand and go through the manuever and see what the control surfaces are doing, you will see what I mean. You can do them opposite from what I just said and it is good practice to do so but when starting out, try doing it as I describe above.

I have to disagree. I find that rolling into the circle seems to require less effort. However, it's really a moot point - it is actually the pilot that allows one direction to be harder than the other, the plane could care less. Case in point; in a rolling loop, are you rolling into the loop or out of it?
The answer is 'yes'. Think about it...

[3D-Seth]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	I have to disagree. I find that rolling into the circle seems to require less effort. However, it's really a moot point - it is actually the pilot that allows one direction to be harder than the other, the plane could care less. Case in point; in a rolling loop, are you rolling into the loop or out of it? The answer is 'yes'. Think about it...

I will somewhat disagree too. When rolling outside like AZ mentioned above, if you screw up and get behind the airplane (which is what normally occurs, very few are early) the airplane will go up, or to the inside. While rolling inside, if you screw up and are late, well, you end up going towards the ground. Not good for a person just learning rollers.

I learned outside first, and how to control it to the outside with both elevator and rudder (so you basically could do the circle with just rudder, or just elevator but it wouldnt be very axial), then taught myself inside.

Seth

[Vic3D]

I second what Seth said. Remember that when you roll RIGHT and turn LEFT, the wings are rising on the side that you are turning. Now, when you roll RIGHT and turn RIGHT, the wings drop on that side, so gravity wants to take the plane down because of the momentum of the wings.

Hope this doesn't start a "plane on a treadmill" type debate Nick. LOL

[robertp17]

I was told that rolling inside is harder than outside when i first started trying roller so I started trying them that way. I can do them in or out left or right now but I will say this. When rolling inside it seems like there is less switching of the rudder. I mean that you can hold the same rudder for 180* because you use the same input for KE and to steer when wings are level. Just my 2 pennies.