FREESTYLE -VS- 3D ???

[aviti]

All of the sudden 3D is the ugly stepchild? No dicipline? Too easy? Boring?

Let me tell you, 3D is the only reason I got back in this hobby after being absent several years. It was cool at first but now that a lot of people are doing it, then the elite guys start whining that it is too easy....try flying a straight line, now that is hard!!

If you got all the 3D moves down perfect, then you can think up some more. If you can't, then string them together in a better way. I am the first to admit that I learned a lot of 3D maneuvers but I need to do a better job of stringing them together. That's why I like 3D. There's always room for growth.

The same can be said for precision or freestyle. If you ask me, the best routine is one that mixes 3D and precision moves and flows together. AND WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH DOING IT LOW? If no one can see your plane up in the stratosphere, does it even exist?

Wayne, I apologize in advance, but it hurts me deeply to hear you say that your beautiful Carden 260 is not even set up with 3D throws. I know the reason, I just can't accept it.

3D FLYING IS NOT THE ENEMY!! Warbirds are.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by aviti
	Wayne, I apologize in advance, but it hurts me deeply to hear you say that your beautiful Carden 260 is not even set up with 3D throws. I know the reason, I just can't accept it.

LOL.

I still have my 87" Yak that pretty much only gets flown on 3D rates.
(it just hasnt gotten flown a lot lately)

[Mithrandir]

IMHO.... Freestyle is broader then 3D.
Freestyle says... "Show me EVERYTHING the plane can do"... including 3D stunts.
The fact that it is competition means... "It better be precise and not arbitrary"..
3D is fun to fly, but it is more interesting to see the whole mix. And MORE difficult to do the whole mix...
and... IMHO.. just because it is "3D".. does not excuse it from being precise...
I would rather see a inverted harrier with wings level, no rocking, constant altitude, uniform speed etc etc etc... most criteria applied to traditional maneuvers can (and should) be applied to 3D stunts.. (IMHO!! LOL)
I personally have a hard deck of 24 inches... the last 2 feet is just not worth rebuilding a rudder and/or servo/rack!!!

Number 1 requirement.. it has got to bring a SEG to the face of the pilot!!! (These are toy airplanes remember!!??!!)

[aviti]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	LOL. I still have my 87" Yak that pretty much only gets flown on 3D rates. (it just hasnt gotten flown a lot lately)

OK, I feel a little better then...

[YNOT]

What about the airplanes? Is there any reason it has to be a "scale" plane? The scale airplane is holding back the manuverablity.

Different divisions for different planes. Different size planes.

This will also help expand on the aircraft design. Back in the TOC days, there was reason to push airframe design, today there is zero.

There are several designers out there who are pushing it, however very few people know.

Flying Giants Unlimited Freestyle Championship? An open event allowing anyone to enter flying their preffered aircraft.

I am really wanting to do something going to the next level with a Free contest. I know in another thread I brought up about a similar contest.

I have had more than a few people ask me about this, whos up for it?

How about a group of us, who are interested in this start running with the ball.

Figure some rules, figure the classes, put on a show, shoot it for video, sell it to ESPN, get Red Bull to sponsor it, quit our real jobs and go fly for a living.

[Biff]

Rules? There you go again YNOT!!!

[jongurley]

It amazes me,, that alot(and you guys can vouch for me,and I am not trying to piss anyone off, but I am making a generalized statement) of the people that complain and pis and moan over 3d and freestyle can't even do it,, that goes for young and old and pro or not,,, don't hate a man for having the testicular fortatude to torque roll or do a rolling harrier and srubs the tail,,, I am seeing alot of Jealousy,,,,,

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by TheTank
	I might have to smack the next person I hear cheer for a torque roll during a freestyle.... my eyes just about glass over every time I see one... anyone flying at that level should have no problem torkin it, its harder to fly a perfect 0 of 8 than a torque roll....

Man, is that so true. As true as it is, the statement made me laugh when I read it.

Mike Darr

[dhooks]

Man it takes a lot more skill to fly a precision freestyle mixed with 3D then it does to TR.......I gotta take exception to Jon.....sorry!

[YNOT]

	Quote: Originally Posted by jongurley
	It amazes me,, that alot(and you guys can vouch for me,and I am not trying to piss anyone off, but I am making a generalized statement) of the people that complain and pis and moan over 3d and freestyle can't even do it,, that goes for young and old and pro or not,,, don't hate a man for having the testicular fortatude to torque roll or do a rolling harrier and srubs the tail,,, I am seeing alot of Jealousy,,,,,

I think your missing the point of the thread. The same ol thing all the time gets old, to the spectator.


Biffster, we don't need no skinkin rules. Lets just get a DJ spinin the 1 and 2's and think skateboard contest. Heart attack into a harrier into a hover back to the pilot into a TR, flipping into a rolling harrier into a rolling harrier half loop into a 4 of 4 back to 4 of 4 opposite to flip turn to knife edge to toilet bowl in knife edge snap reverse flip combo. YEA BABY!!!! With boggie shoes playing in the background.

[Mithrandir]

Apply Precision criteria to a torque roll and now she rates right up there with rolling circles... in-out-in-out... starting from inverted!!!!

[Biff]

Jongurley, dude there's no hatin' bro! Nobody is bashing 3D what so ever. The thread is all about folks voicing opinions on the nature of a contest, not how we should fly at our fields. 3D has been a real shot in the arm for the hobby. I think we all agree on that one bro. I see both sides of the coin. Ask a dude who's really into flying controlled sequences to torque and he might or might not be able to do it on the deck in a really controlled manner. Just the same, ask somebody who torques every flight to fly a perfect slow roll and he might or might not be able to do it in a precise manner. The gig isn't about jealousy, some folks don't practice slow rolls just as some folks don't practice tr's. To each their own bro! It's all good.


YNOT,,NOW YOU'RE ROLLIN' HARD BRO!!!