FREESTYLE -VS- 3D ???

[Biff]

Ain't that exactly what happened in Tucson Jon?

[TheTank]

	Quote: Originally Posted by as722
	John I agree 100% but you forgot to mention the four minute rolling harrier marathon that is now common at free style events. I guess I'm old school but I enjoy a well balanced precision / 3d free style. The torque rolling for four minutes is lame as is touching the ground with the rudder. Albert

Yep, i firmly believe well balanced is the name of the game. I dont care what it is, just make good use of the 4 minutes and mix it up. Use that 4 minutes to show us all what you can do with your airplane.

[hillmanr2]

	Quote: Originally Posted by TheTank
	Yep, i firmly believe well balanced is the name of the game. I dont care what it is, just make good use of the 4 minutes and mix it up. Use that 4 minutes to show us all what you can do with your airplane.

Sums it well

[JAS]

OK, started a separate thread for maneuvers for each 3D and Freestyle... http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/s...866#post133866

[3D-Seth]

To me I believe that the freestyle should be as is. We all love to see the low, spine-tingling, jaw-dropping manuevers on the ground - that shows the skill of the pilot. BUT I think precision is more difficult than 3D - thus if a pilot does precision in his freestyle, I feel that it just shouldnt be disregarded. Touching the ground - I dont think there needs to be any of this because we are risking the pilot's/caller's/crowd's lives when you hit the ground. With foamies all the time I accidentaly hit the ground and they lose a surface or i strip a servo ect. What if this were to happen on a 40%er while he/she was doing harrier rolls or hovering and they lost the rudder? I know personally I cant exactly hover without rudder . . . .

Also, to see a pilot's skill, I want to be able to see everything and anything he can do - not just 3D stuff. I dont like watching someone's freestyle where they fly it in space the size of a golf dome the whole flight - yes its awesome piloting skill and amazing to see but a full 4 minutes of it? I would rather see a pilot fly the whole box showing his/her control over the airplane in all flight envelopes : fast, slow, high, low, crossways, ect.

Just my $.02

Seth

[Biff]

Shulman, Please don't cloud this thread with common sense. Actually, could you please throw your two cents in here as well? I for one would like to know where you got some of the music you've used. That stuff CAN'T be from your CD collection Darth.

[JAS]

If I were to post, it'd just be more common sense. Besides, my post's are as boring as my freestyle's, and this thread is still exciting.
And other than the Bee Gee's, the rest of my music this year was "borrowed" .

[jongurley]

Jason just go out there next contest and do your flying not criteria,, be a man,,,,

[Tailchaser]

Far from boring Jason, we can count on you to always come up with something new in your routine every year.
Thanks for entertaining us want-a-be's over the years.
Looking forward to see what your bringing to the table next year.

Chuck

[Matchless]

This has been a fun thread to read! When I first started learning to 3D, a good friend (a great IMAC competitor) summed it up pretty well for me. He commented that the majority of flyers (99%) fly sloppy 3d, and the majority of them fly what I've come to call 3'F'ing, as in 'Flip,Flop,Flying'. I think 3F'ing is still 3D, but its not the same as the other kind of flying he described which is 'Precise 3D'ing'. To me, Precise 3D'ing is very much what I see at Tuscon, Don Lowe, etc. The ETOC Freestyle's are very much Precise 3D'ing (at least most of them are).

I think the contests should stay as they are. I like the idea of not encouraging a touch to the ground (even though I do it fairly often with a profile or foamy) as there is a lot more potential energy in a 40%er than in a foamy. I also don’t think that a maneuver flown low to the ground should be judged higher than the same maneuver flown higher up, unless it presents better to the judges that way I really think the question of flying low comes to the ‘presentation’ element. Some things just ‘present’ better down low right in front of the judges/audience (IE, a rolling harrier flown straight and level with points on the quarters, but flown low presents better than if done 500ft up).. When a competition has a ‘presentation’ element, this is where altitude should matter.

I also know that any savvy competitor will fly in a way that their routine makes the most of the judging criteria- whatever it may be. The one’s who don’t won’t win. For example, at the 2005 Pyramid Freestyle event, Jason Noll and Sean McMurtry used the entire large facility (big unusual shaped building). The judging criteria gave extra for making use of the entire facility and they both did an excellent job of doing so. I think that had some part in their placing well in the competition (McMurtry won, and I believe Jason took 2nd).

With that, then IMO, it becomes the organizer’s responsibility to decide how they want their contest to be – for the audience---or---easy to judge…..

Interesting thread. If you compete, I bet it makes you think about ‘what kind of flyer am I?’

[exeter_acres]

0 of 8 cross box, inverted..... fits into both catagories!

[YNOT]

This is what the FAI came up with for artisitic judging. I like the words, full range of flight envelope, wide variety of figures on different axes and flight paths and contrasting peroids of dynamic (3D) and graceful (pattern) manuvers.

Judging Criteria
Technique
1. Precision of the
execution
(4 points)
2. Use of the full range of
the flight envelope
(3 points)
3. Versatility –
Combination of a wide
variety of figures flown
on different axes and
flight paths
(3 points)


Artistic quality
1. Synchronisation with
music
(4 points)
2. Pleasing and continuous
flow of figures
(3 points)
3. Contrasting periods of
dynamic and graceful
manoeuvres
(3 points)


Overall appearance
1. Use of the full
performance zone flight
space
(5 points)
2. Proper positioning of the
full sequence relative to
the judges
(5 points)