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Old 12-10-2006, 05:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do you torque roll

Well, a true torqueroll requires no aileron input, anyway...
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Tried to slow down the speed on the sim. It worked great. I learned and improved faster by doing this.
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:01 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do you torque roll

Get yourself a ShockFlier Yak-54.
Thats what I used to learn high alpha stuff and torque rolls
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do you torque roll

All of the input here is great - I think another thing to try is this:

First, do not try to TR, but instead try to get the aircraft in front of you, canopy to you, and stable... to do this keep the attitude "just slightly" forward. You will find that as soon as you come back a bit and get the attitude "perfecly vertical" that it then begins to TR slowly around... for some reason, if the attitude is "just a tad forward" onto the belly (or onto the back if you are good enough), it will not TR (as easily), as when it is perfectly vertical...

You have to be like "perfectly vertical" for the torque to take over...

However, I suggest just trying to master holding a hover down low by keeping the tilt just forward on the belly - In this position develop a laser like focus onto the "center" of the craft and just practice holding it there... If you are a bit high, you can abck it down in a controlled manner in this same position. Again, if you keep it "just forward" on the belly (and I mean like maybe 2 to 3 or 4 degrees max.), it will not TR and you can control the descent - this takes practice as you are continually applying a little elevator input to keep it "just a few degress on its belly"... By the way, as it slides down (even slowly on the descent), you tend to have to anticipate the inputs and it requires more input to keep it positioned when sliding (because the prop wash is reduced by the "reversed" airflow coming up the tail...)

Do this in as calm conditions as you can fly in - wind just makes it all more difficult, but again, start by tilting the craft "just forward" and master just holding it there focussing on keeping the tail under the craft with both rudder and elev...

Once you matser that, tilt it back just a bit and you will notice it TR all by itself, then the trick is to not panic as it will come around... If it is a little off-kilter (say on its back more than you like when you TR around) just wait a few seconds and it will TR back to being on its belly where you apply opposite aileron to arrest the roll and hold it again in that "just forward" position. Remember, it rolls around an axis that tends to stay in a constant tilt.

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