Geesh I hate this

[OnTheEdge]

I like the dead stick on the buddy box Dan-O. While I haven't used that one (yet....) what I always do with a student is wait till they are getting fairly confident. This is usually when I can take off for them, and then give them control and let them fly the entire time without me "needing" to take over. Then all of the sudden, without warning, I take back over the plane and just yank it into an unusual attitude and then give it back and say "fix it". The first time, I do this they are ALWAYS surprised and a little shocked as they think it is something they did or something went wrong. Exactly what I want them to experience. After a few times, they get the hang of it and then I'll do it lower and lower so they get used to saving it at all altitudes.

I'll definately try the deadstick approach as well. Thanks for sharing that.

........Mark

[Uncle Brett]

Dan nO,
I think the approach that you described is a great way to teach new pilots the finer points of dead stick landing, and right or wrong, I encourage you to continue this teaching method.

[sp2pilot]

	Quote: Originally Posted by king160woody
	what happened to the Nitro Models .60 Super Chipmunk???

The Chipmunk has never been flown. I gave it as a gift to the person that got me into this hobby.

[aviti]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sp2pilot
	On the edge, Thank you for your well thought out post in response to my rambling dribble above. I will respectfully decline to go back to the smaller aircraft and continue to go forward with my education with the 50 cc Extra. At the ripe young age of 47 I have the disciplin to continue with drills, sim time and perfect my craft. The big plane is easier to fly for myself, my failing eyesight and the forgiving aerodynamics of the larger aircraft make it substantially easier for me to fly safely. I take the safety of of what I do and how I conduct myself with grave seriousness. I would never endanger another person with my arrogance. I spend a great deal of time constucting safe aircraft and spare no expense in regards to redundant back up systems. Sorry if I bristle easily but in regards to my conduct I am guilty of nothing more then an over abundance of enthusiasm and a bit of bad luck. To Clarify when I stated I did not know what to do,... I did not drop my transmitter and put my hands over my eyes nor run away, I just failed to execute a proper recovery that would still have resulted in at the very least placing my aircraft into the trees at the end of our runway. A flame out on take off with out having enough airspeed is one of the biggest plane killers at our field, not sure about yours. There is no lateral recovery area at my field s a down field corrider is all that is left to regain control, and attempt an emergency landing big planes like mine almost always end up in the tree line, If I had more expierance and was less prone to panic I would have probably been able to let my plane set back down and attempted a rudder turn with the resulting ground loop, a much less violent result then the abismal save I executed.

Sounds like you got it under control...keep on keepin' on!

[extra330s(cody)]

by the sounds of it u will be flying great. from reading the story it sounds like u got the happy fever and jumped the gun on getting a new plane before u were ready. sry 4 the losses. this is just my 2 sense

[ChrisHays]

sorry for your losses..these fine folks on FG have given you good advise..if you listen to them and actually "learn how to fly" GREAT!!! ... but if you dont.. i hope you have a big bank account! run it dry!!!!!

[Dan_nO]

On the Edge, Heydick.....we all learn different things at different times as we go along, just as you mentioned what you do as to putting the plane in an awkward position and then for them to recover, that is another thing that i do also, so I see I am not alone as to different things in teaching. Yes, whether it be right or wrong, its all a part of the teaching to put a student into an awkward situation and to have them learn how to recover while you are right there with them just in case, without this, you solo them and off they go, they end up in a situation like this and dont know what to do because they have never experienced it before. Flight sims, yes, they are a good teaching tool, and one can learn a lot from working with them, but they still dont have the real feel that the real plane is going to have and the characteristics that the real thing is going to have, its still a lil different, but the sim does give you a general idea though.

Keep up the hard work, work with your instructors, and we wish you all the best. Keep us posted in your progress.

[SUPERFLYJAY]

DAMN WHEN THAT HAPPENS TO ME I USUALLY JUST PUSH THE BUTTON ON BOTTOM LEFT OF MY TRANSMITTER AND LONG BEHOLD THE PLANE APPEARS AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY READY TO FLY AGAIN !!!!!!!!! SO WHATS THE PROBLEM HERE??

[3D_Kid]

hah youre using the sim

[sweetpea]

My instructor had me look away......then said you got the plane.

I had no idea where it was or what attitude it was in. Talk about nerving. But it helps you not be afraid

[OnTheEdge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	My instructor had me look away......then said you got the plane. I had no idea where it was or what attitude it was in. Talk about nerving. But it helps you not be afraid

Hey, that's another great teaching lesson. I've never heard of that one. Definately will add that when I teach some new folks. Thanks Sweetpea!

[sp2pilot]

This post has not gone the way I expected, I acknowledge my lack of time and do not slight the time all of you have spent at learning this craft. I am not defending my decision to move into a larger aircraft as I am quite sure every one of you that went from a sport/fun scale to a giant will aggree that the larger aircraft flew better, had much easier manners and obviously was easier to see. I can afford to operate the larger plane and I really should not have to apologize for that.


This last weekend a member of my club had an engine stall on take off and tip stalled his 33% attempting to get back to the runway with too little airspeed and altitude. He has been flying for 20 years. He also did 10 times the amount of damage I did. Not sure if he should go back to a smaller plane too

Exactly how to guarantee I will never ever lose my plane again is left to never flying it. I think I will just continue to learn my craft. To not expect to be the next QQ and to work on every aspect of becoming a better operator. I do not think this is as difficult as several other things that I do. I am a motorcycle racer with over 35 years of competition under my helmet and believe me the learning process as that cost a heck of a lot more then money. (Just ask my Orthopedic Surgeons)

This section is the Dumb Thumb, and I am quite guilty of it. I screwed up. Not so much my flying, but lack of discipline in following through with a proper pre-flight and it bit me. I would think that anyone that has anytime in this hobby has at one time or another forgotten to do something before flying?(Re-fuel, etc.) This section is about telling the rest of this community what happened and in most cases why. Others learn from it, or remember doing the same thing.

I feel as if I have been chastised and not given any respect for the hard work I am doing to become a proficient RC pilot, nor the slack for making a mistake that most of you have done in your apprenticeship. Trust me on this. I am a student, I have a tremendous amount of respect for the craft, I will continue to listen to everyone that can help me and will also take with a grain of salt negative re-enforcement as even bad advice is still advice.

Back to topic, if anyone could offer advice on how they recover from a flame out on take off that allows them to get rid of as much airspeed as possible and return to the deck in as short a distance as possible??


We had this discussion after our member lost his plane on Sunday and there were several different techniques discussed such as stalling in, and another of getting back on the deck and rudder sliding the aircraft. It seems that most of the members had some experience in this scenario and also it was obvious that most had horrible outcomes with a few lucky and creative "saves"