Originally Posted by cubdriver

Hey guys Ive did a little basic aerobatics I used to have a citabria but I never really trusted it with anything but rolls and loops. Where would be a good place to take some lessons in a modern hi performance aircraft. On the west coast preferably

Sean Tucker's place is a great experience from what I've heard, but a bit pricey.

http://www.tutimaacademy.com/#/

There are a lot of good schools up and down the west coast. I would recommend joining the IAC/EAA and looking around a bit. There are likely good deals to be had, but I'd shoot for flying with better instructors over lower cost, FWIW.

Scott

Originally Posted by Pistolera

Amen .

How ya been Scott?

Earle

Hey Earle! Super busy. My life is no longer my own. Seems the kids have taken priority of late! How about you? Keeping busy?

Scott

Originally Posted by sukhoi26mx

I, too, would put my money on Cubdriver any day!

I was just offering my opinion, which fortunately I still get to do. There are likely a lot of other pilots reading this, and I'd hate for us less skilled (clearly me) or less experienced pilots to assume that flying overloaded airplanes was promoted as being an accepted part of the "game" by everyone. It is unfortunate that this attitude is as pervasive as it is. There are a lot of really cool airplanes and great pilots lost each year due to it.

Clearly you don't know me if you think I was lecturing. I've done some pretty stupid things in my time flying airplanes, and have tried to learn from it. This isn't about being able to handle "what can go wrong", but rather deciding to avoid starting with a deck that is heavily stacked against you.

Look, I've lost a total of 17 friends to airplane accidents. I'm glad you survived. Many, many, many pilots weren't either as skilled as you or they simply weren't as lucky. In my opinion, mission does not come ahead of safety in non-military or non-life saving flights. I refuse to believe that me taking an unnecessary risk that ends poorly is doing anyone any good.

When I was a kid growing up, my Dad made it all crystal clear. The job, he said (which I still agree with 100%), is risk management. From my perspective, some are acceptable (lowest risk being not going at all), and some are not. I, personally, am not willing to die today by taking an unnecessary risk with a particularly large downside and little upside reward. Does that make me somehow "less" of a pilot than you? Perhaps, but perhaps not.

On the whole airline vs. GA, vs. military thing... it is all baloney. There are both outstanding and weak pilots each of those groups. Personally, some of the best stick and rudder pilots I've ever flown with look incredibly inexperienced on paper, but can fly circles around the 30K+ hour pilots I fly with at work. On that point, I think we would agree.

Scott

Scott, well said!!!!! Your Dad is a very smart man, I don't claim to be any smarter or more experienced but I have made it to retirement and now the younger group is carrying the load. I do have my daughter carrying the legacy in the Air Force.

Originally Posted by sherman89

Scott, well said!!!!! Your Dad is a very smart man, I don't claim to be any smarter or more experienced but I have made it to retirement and now the younger group is carrying the load. I do have my daughter carrying the legacy in the Air Force.

I love the fact that you're very proud of your daughter, as you should be! Tailwinds and clear skies to the both of you. I hope to someday be able to say the same about my retirement and the success of my children, whichever path they choose.

Scott

instead of a pissin match about who can outfly who how about tellin some of us unworthy rc pilots what all those abbreviations ,you guys use when talking about yor rating, stand for so we know what the %##%*/* youre talkin about?

Originally Posted by Glyder

instead of a pissin match about who can outfly who how about tellin some of us unworthy rc pilots what all those abbreviations ,you guys use when talking about yor rating, stand for so we know what the %##%*/* youre talkin about?

ATP- Airline Transport Pilot
CFI- Certified Flight Instructor
CFII-Certified Flight Instructor, Instruments
CML- Commercial Pilot License
SEL- Single Engine Land
MEL- Multi Engine Land
SES- Single Engine Seaplane
MES- Multi Engine Seaplane

A "Type" rating is specific for the aircraft you fly. If you have Type rating in a 727, you can fly all of it's various configurations.

Hope this helps.

When I was getting my license years ago and stared to dabble in aerobatics a wise older pilot once told me...

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but rarely do you find old bold pilots...be safe"

Words I fly by.
Mark

Originally Posted by sukhoi26mx

Hey Earle! Super busy. My life is no longer my own. Seems the kids have taken priority of late! How about you? Keeping busy?

Scott

Yep....kids take priority....and later grand-kids!!! Still flying our Navion a bit, although have it up for sale. My 3DHS Extra just finished its 3rd season...still flies great, but starting to show some age. Winter project is a 35% Krill Extra 330SC.

Take care!

Earle

[QUOTE=sukhoi26mx;1842063]I, too, would put my money on Cubdriver any day!

I was just offering my opinion, which fortunately I still get to do. There are likely a lot of other pilots reading this, and I'd hate for us less skilled (clearly me) or less experienced pilots to assume that flying overloaded airplanes was promoted as being an accepted part of the "game" by everyone. It is unfortunate that this attitude is as pervasive as it is. There are a lot of really cool airplanes and great pilots lost each year due to it.

Clearly you don't know me if you think I was lecturing. I've done some pretty stupid things in my time flying airplanes, and have tried to learn from it. This isn't about being able to handle "what can go wrong", but rather deciding to avoid starting with a deck that is heavily stacked against you.

Look, I've lost a total of 17 friends to airplane accidents. I'm glad you survived. Many, many, many pilots weren't either as skilled as you or they simply weren't as lucky. In my opinion, mission does not come ahead of safety in non-military or non-life saving flights. I refuse to believe that me taking an unnecessary risk that ends poorly is doing anyone any good.

When I was a kid growing up, my Dad made it all crystal clear. The job, he said (which I still agree with 100%), is risk management. From my perspective, some are acceptable (lowest risk being not going at all), and some are not. I, personally, am not willing to die today by taking an unnecessary risk with a particularly large downside and little upside reward. Does that make me somehow "less" of a pilot than you? Perhaps, but perhaps not.

On the whole airline vs. GA, vs. military thing... it is all baloney. There are both outstanding and weak pilots each of those groups. Personally, some of the best stick and rudder pilots I've ever flown with look incredibly inexperienced on paper, but can fly circles around the 30K+ hour pilots I fly with at work. On that point, I think we would agree.

Scott[/QUOTEer ]

Scott... Well said.... I really respect your response ... A true profession pilot with an awesome approach ..
33 years....19,000+ hours...3500 tail wheel... 2000+ aerobatic.... And I just learned another great lesson... That's what's so great about what we do. Thank you .

Keep it up..

Matt C

I still crack a big smile when I grease the Citabria in a gusty crosswind.

Originally Posted by N726AC

I still crack a big smile when I grease the Citabria in a gusty crosswind.

You are making me drool.

Ya the spring gear on my 7GCBC was hard to greasem in on wheels I flew mine on floats and ski's the majority of the time I had it for about 3 years its still one of my favorites for a rag tube plane

Those that have flown floats.....know. That's all I'll add.

In reading Scott's post, I'm reminded how many times people get killed every year as a result of 'get home itis' when they decide to try flying home from somewhere despite the weather.

I agree with Doug In Alaska if you haven't spent some nights in the field waiting on weather you have been pushing your luck,