venture cyclic slow?

hey guys,

i realise i havent spent a lot of money with a venture 50 airframe and i understand that it is not going to fly like a $1000 machine but is there anyway to speed up the cyclic response. i have the swash plate set to the maxiumum throw(i think), it rolls and flips so slowly.

it has some nhp carbon symmetrical blades, 3d paddles and nothing else different from stock. i bought it because the advertising blurb said 3d capable.

is it possible to outgrow a heli after 6 weeks? is it just easier just to buy another heli that 3d's better? suggestions? i dont want to spend a lot of money on upgrades for this one if its only going to be marginally better.


aerowiz

Hello,
From what I have seen, the Venture 50 probably isn't going to give you the same level of 3D capability as say a Sceadu Evo or Raptor 50. It sounds like you have done some of the initial changes to increase the response (paddles/cyclic throw). Other factors would be to see how much expo you have programmed into your radio, what headspeed you are running and the speed and torque of your servos. Each of those items is going to make a huge difference in how your helicopter responds. My advice would be to tweak on it with what you have in it, but don't spend any more $$$ upgrading it. If you find that it just won't do what you want, then I would suggest upgrading the airframe to a more capable model when it is feasible.
-Ryan

Speeding up cyclic can be done in a couple of ways, lighter paddles (get the lightest you can, MA whites are nice), longer flybar (any 3mm will work, just get one longer than you currently have), and stiffer dampers all give faster response, assuming you already are getting good cyclic throws.

That said, I've never actually seen anyone 3Ding a Venture. I've flown a couple, and they flew OK, but definitely have slower responses than most other helis. It's all in the setup, I'd say to try the things I listed above, and check your manual to see if there are different mixing ratios in the head, that can also change the response.

is it true that the longer flybar will increase the response. i currently have the jr installed shorter flybar and jr 3d paddles. so to get this right, if i install a flybar thats 50mm longer than the one i am currently using the heli will roll faster. i have 3 long flybars sitting here and havent installed them thinking they will only slow it down further!! learning curve-----straight up.

ta guys

aerowiz

Yup, longer flybar = faster cyclic. Think of it this way, some of your commands go through the flybar, with the longer one on there, there is a longer lever, and it will have more authority. The way to get the fastest is with a long flybar and light paddles.

so the setup now is a flybar thats 105mm longer in total length. i will fly tomorrow and post back the results. the jr 3d paddles weigh 23 grams.


aerowiz

That'll make a difference. Have fun.

well i tried it and it is better. it seems to be more stable but also rolls faster? who knows how that can happen.

i also did the 6mm spindle shaft upgrade and it has helped also. by the time i finish up buying stuff for this heli to make it better i think i should have just bought an airskipper 50 to start with.



aerowiz.

Yup, that's how it works, longer flybar+better stability and faster cyclics. IIRC, it's because the loner flybar has more of a gyroscopic effect on the head, so the hover stability will be greater. However, it will also create stranger cyclic forces, because as the swash changes the pitch of the paddles they are farther out, so they have more leverage.