CRRC Pro GF26I

[FLZman]

Well Barry/Dealinrc, I was keeping quiet about you but you just opened a can of worms with your usual half stories. You sir are full of crap and I CAN PROVE IT. Should I post the email you sent saying the first engine was running great, I had my needles out of whack and they are now just right at 1.25 turns out? And then when the engine comes back to me, we can't get it to even start. I kept telling myself dont touch the needles, Barry has them just right. Finally after two hours, we checked the low end needle and it was 1/8 turn out!!!. High end: 1/4 turn out!@! So I emailed you back telling you what I found and you email back, I don't know where needles are, I just left them where it flew! Well which one is it bud? Show me an engine that will run with needles set like this and I will personally send you a apology, aint going to happen. As far offering me a new engine???? Please, YOU SIR sent the first one back with broken intake and I have witnesses that were there when I pulled it out of box at field! Between the needle "story" and the broken intake, I demanded another engine. I have to go through all kind of emails back and forth until you agree and then give me a story about you will send it Monday, nope Tuesday, nope Wed..............And you have the nerve to actually state you stood up and offered a new engine?
On the second engine, yes I got to run one tank through it at idle, high idle and it ran so yep I sent you an email saying it was doing much better, I mean it ran. And then next day when I posted for help, not mentioning anything about where I got it from or you, you decide to once again chime in and send me a nasty email, should I post that to????? You arent who you are trying to portray here and if anyone who is thinking about buying from you would like proof jsut shoot me a pm and I will copy paste your lovely emails with the bull**** and all.
Like I said, should have stayed out of this or at least left me out of it but you have put my integrity at question on a public forum so game on. You should have never wrote in emails what you did, I save emails and everyone can learn real dealinrc which is much like the one that keeps getting his post deleted by moderators.

[3Dguy]

This is troubling indeed.

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	I think Ray will find the same thing we did. There is nothing wrong with the motor, just the way you set it up. If you read the instructions and released the spring on the carb it would work perfect. How do you expect instant throttle control when you are fighting the spring. All you will do is burn out servos. Your first engine that you sent back is flying a 3d cmp katana. You did the same thing on that engine as well as busting the carb block and also putting the intake gasket in backwards so it covered up the purge hole. That is why your high speed needles did not work. I did not want to embarase you here but how you can praise the Canadian Dealer when I did so much to make you happy. I made your engine run right, you messed it up, and I can prove it.

BTW: If you truly believe that the spring is whats causing it to not transition at all, meaning cant make it get past high idle without dieing, then I suggest you just continue selling engine and please stop handing out advice. I have a 100 twin, two 50's and a 26cc that all have springs and transition just fine. Short of using a 9gram mini electric servo (which still wil open carb), the servos we use can easily open a carb at any speed I want. I imagine there a few here with this particular motor that still have spring attached with no problems. BTW: You also emailed me and said I was the very first person to have ANY problems with this motor.............hmmmmm. Another half truth Barry?

Am I pissed now? Damn right I am. I was nothing but curtious and professional to you on phone and emails during my problems and you come on here and blast my integrity as well as my capabilities WITHOUT even knowing me. Class act. You wont find one post made by me saying anything about the fishy stuff going on until now. I am not in the forum pissing match game like you, I just posted looking for help to get an engine running and found some or at least someone who is willing to try. Something tells me when Ray sends my motor back, it will actually be as he finished with it.

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by FLZman
	Well Barry/Dealinrc, I was keeping quiet about you but you just opened a can of worms with your usual half stories. You sir are full of crap and I CAN PROVE IT. Should I post the email you sent saying the first engine was running great, I had my needles out of whack and they are now just right at 1.25 turns out? And then when the engine comes back to me, we can't get it to even start. I kept telling myself dont touch the needles, Barry has them just right. Finally after two hours, we checked the low end needle and it was 1/8 turn out!!!. High end: 1/4 turn out!@! So I emailed you back telling you what I found and you email back, I don't know where needles are, I just left them where it flew! Well which one is it bud? Show me an engine that will run with needles set like this and I will personally send you a apology, aint going to happen. As far offering me a new engine???? Please, YOU SIR sent the first one back with broken intake and I have witnesses that were there when I pulled it out of box at field! Between the needle "story" and the broken intake, I demanded another engine. I have to go through all kind of emails back and forth until you agree and then give me a story about you will send it Monday, nope Tuesday, nope Wed..............And you have the nerve to actually state you stood up and offered a new engine? On the second engine, yes I got to run one tank through it at idle, high idle and it ran so yep I sent you an email saying it was doing much better, I mean it ran. And then next day when I posted for help, not mentioning anything about where I got it from or you, you decide to once again chime in and send me a nasty email, should I post that to????? You arent who you are trying to portray here and if anyone who is thinking about buying from you would like proof jsut shoot me a pm and I will copy paste your lovely emails with the bull**** and all. Like I said, should have stayed out of this or at least left me out of it but you have put my integrity at question on a public forum so game on. You should have never wrote in emails what you did, I save emails and everyone can learn real dealinrc which is much like the one that keeps getting his post deleted by moderators.

When i sent that engine back to you It was running perfect, I have witnesses to that effect. When we got it back here again you had messed it up more. You had broken the carb block and also put the gasket in backwards which covers up the purge hole. With all the 26cc out there runnuing great why would you get 2 that are trouble. Maybe you should take up golf. If you keep this up I will shoot some video of your old engine performing 3d and post it. Just a lesson for people out there, here is what you get when you try and help someone

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	When i sent that engine back to you It was running perfect, I have witnesses to that effect. When we got it back here again you had messed it up more. You had broken the carb block and also put the gasket in backwards which covers up the purge hole. With all the 26cc out there runnuing great why would you get 2 that are trouble. Maybe you should take up golf. If you keep this up I will shoot some video of your old engine performing 3d and post it. Just a lesson for people out there, here is what you get when you try and help someone

And I am sure everyone will believe you barry that is the same engine, please. With this post, I think you just answered everyone's question on who has integrity and who doesn't. Thats right I broke the intake. As far as gasket, who knows, once the crack you sent it back with broke all the way through I just slapped it back together and sent it your way. It all had to be replaced anyway, who cares which way the gasket was when I loosely put everything back together.
Nice remarks, take up golf. I assure you not only can I outfly you, but guarantee you I can tune better than you. You have proven your knowledge of engines is limited with the silly spring idea. You never did answer how an engine runs perfectly at 1/8 out on low and 1/4 out on high. Woops, no wait a minute, according to you it was 1.25 out on each. No wait a minute, you dont remember what it was now, it just ran. Whatever.

As far the original engine running so great now. I practically begged you to replace the ignition as well as engine and finally you relunctally agreed or I thought so. See, in front of a couple members, I put a little mark on ignition before packing it up to verify it was replaced. Funny this ignition has same little mark.............hmmmmm.

Well, here we go Mr. barry. I am one to put my money where my mouth is instead of bickering. I will hold off sending this motor to Ray but here is deal. You live 150 miles or so from here. I will pay you 150 dollars plus gas money if you can come up and make this engine run well enough to 3d an airplane. If you can't, you pay me 150 bucks and go home. How about it, lets see what "I" screwed up this time bud. It will be a friendly environment, heck you can even bring something to fly.
Need to know quick, was about to pack it up for shipment. The offer is on table. Come show everyone your tuning skills.

Z

[FLZman]

Anyway, back to some funner talk.

Thinking about building another plane for this crrc once it is running. Can anyone suggest a plane that this engine will hover and torque roll with some pullout left? Was looking at the FuntanaX. Any experience?

Z

[ken crane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by FLZman
	Anyway, back to some funner talk. Thinking about building another plane for this crrc once it is running. Can anyone suggest a plane that this engine will hover and torque roll with some pullout left? Was looking at the FuntanaX. Any experience? Z

funtanna 100 would be an awsome choice. only cavat it that it is a house of toothpicks. first thing to break will be the cf gear. then the landing plate. if you fix those issues before flight that plane is a blast to fly. i had 2 with a g20 and the 26 if were availible at the time would have been even a better choice.

lol just look to the lseft that is what is left of my last one lol. damm spektrum reboot.....

[dealinrc]

Why would I waste anymore time and money on you. Everyone here knows the crrc 26 engine runs fine out of the box and for you to get 2 that doesn't well the odds are against that. I have sold over 60 of them and the only one that has trouble is you. I have customers that started with one and liked them so much they bought one or two more. As far as the gasket is concerned you tried to run the engine that way, that is why the high speed needle had no effect. I have a record of all the emails also. As far as your flying skill, I never questioned that.

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by ken crane
	funtanna 100 would be an awsome choice. only cavat it that it is a house of toothpicks. first thing to break will be the cf gear. then the landing plate. if you fix those issues before flight that plane is a blast to fly. i had 2 with a g20 and the 26 if were availible at the time would have been even a better choice. lol just look to the lseft that is what is left of my last one lol. damm spektrum reboot.....

LOL, had one reboot on me as well a while back. Think the shop has one on shelf. Also have a guy in club with a real nicely built Jerry's big boy, might be fun with a gasser and its built .
ken, more I think about it, the only thing that hasn't been tried on this crrc is a new ignition. I have a guy here that has worked on walbro carbs all his life, use to race karts and stuff. he spent 3 hours on carb and still couldnt get the engine to go. Maybe it is ignition since that wasnt replaced, may be worth a try to get a new one. Someone make aftermarket ignitions? If it isnt, can always use it down the line.? Guess I am still trying to figure out a way to get in air this weekend before sending off to Ray.

Z

[3Dguy]

I think the carb needs to be replaced.

The Showtime is a great match for this engine (if it's running). But also, like Ken said, the gear and block will rip out of the fuselage easily, so make sure it is strengthened.

[ken crane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	Why would I waste anymore time and money on you. Everyone here knows the crrc 26 engine runs fine out of the box and for you to get 2 that doesn't well the odds are against that. I have sold over 60 of them and the only one that has trouble is you. I have customers that started with one and liked them so much they bought one or two more. As far as the gasket is concerned you tried to run the engine that way, that is why the high speed needle had no effect. I have a record of all the emails also. As far as your flying skill, I never questioned that.

LET IT GO NOW. LETS MOVE ON. IF ITS HIS FAULT HE WILL KNOW IF ITS THE MOTORS FAULT IT WILL GET FIXED OR HE CAN BUY A NEW ONE. I WILL ASK THAT THIS THREAD BE CLOSED IF THIS GOES FURTHER DOWN THE TUBE. I WILL HOWEVER STATE NO WARS ARE WON ON THE INTERNET ONLY BATTLES FOUGHT. TO ARGUE THIS ANYMORE IS LIKE PISSING INTO THE WIND. LETS LET IT GO....

[dealinrc]

	Quote: Originally Posted by ken crane
	LET IT GO NOW. LETS MOVE ON. IF ITS HIS FAULT HE WILL KNOW IF ITS THE MOTORS FAULT IT WILL GET FIXED OR HE CAN BUY A NEW ONE. I WILL ASK THAT THIS THREAD BE CLOSED IF THIS GOES FURTHER DOWN THE TUBE. I WILL HOWEVER STATE NO WARS ARE WON ON THE INTERNET ONLY BATTLES FOUGHT. TO ARGUE THIS ANYMORE IS LIKE PISSING INTO THE WIND. LETS LET IT GO....

This question is for you Ken
I see you are running the 50's also, how are you starting them. i find they have a bad habit of kicking back and breaking props. We retarded the timing like the factory said but they still bite. One thing I must say is they put out a lot of power.

[ken crane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by dealinrc
	This question is for you Ken I see you are running the 50's also, how are you starting them. i find they have a bad habit of kicking back and breaking props. We retarded the timing like the factory said but they still bite. One thing I must say is they put out a lot of power.

i have 2 50s running right now a 3rd on the way. i have had no starting issues at all. i however did foul a plug this weekend while breaking one in. i start all mine by hand with no kickback at all. if i need to use a starter its far and few in between. the one on my 330 extra has about 12 gallons now thru it and it runs like a raped ape. without a degree wheel the timing is not easy to set but honestly it runs perfect set in the middle of the hole pattern of the hall effect sensor. i have cheated and soldered the air bleed hole in the throttle plate to make it easier to pull fuel as the tank is slightly lower than the carb during choke. if you do this you need to be careful to shut the choke off as soon as it pops for the first time. stsrts next flip.i run it with a ngk plug on 89-92 octane depending the temp and 100:sabre amsoil 2 stroke oil. running a 22xx8 xoar

[rcign]

A degree wheel is NOT necessary...Measure the diamter of the hub..Multiply by .244...The engine should fire this distance before TDC...Can't get any easier than that....
If anyone thinks a degree or 2 makes any difference, get a degree wheel and spend an hour or so with different timing settings...You will be convinced...

[FLZman]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 3Dguy
	I think the carb needs to be replaced. The Showtime is a great match for this engine (if it's running). But also, like Ken said, the gear and block will rip out of the fuselage easily, so make sure it is strengthened.

Thanks 3d and Ken, good info if I go this way. RCIGN has a motor that I am itching bad to get and thinking about a plane for it or put it on this plane that had the crrc on it. decisions, decisions....lol