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Old 03-28-2007, 05:47 PM   #1
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Default Ignition battery near rx battery?

I've done my best to keep my ignition battery as far away from the rx as possible to avoid interference from the ignition. Usually I have my ignition battery mounted on the engine box and the rx batteries in the main portion of the fuse or in the tail. Lately, I have been seeing a lot of set-ups with 3 lithium batteries near each other in the fuse. 2 rx batteries and 1 ignition battery. I was under the impression that this can cause interference. Is there any truth to that?
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Old 03-28-2007, 10:11 PM   #2
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

I have seen one setup where both the receiver and ignition pack were mounted together, and even the switches were placed side by side. The owner did not get any interference over the 15 flights or so that I watched, but I personally would not risk it, as there is always a chance of inteference occuring. It would really be up to you to decide if you wanted to risk it.
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:40 PM   #3
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

I have two receiver packs and one ignition pack all straped together at cg in my yak over 400 flights in three years never had a problem
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:41 PM   #4
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Keep everything atleast 6" away from each other(ignition and Rx related). It you have no other recourse to have the Rx and ignition packs together, then I would suggest running an Isolator.

But try to get thing spaced apart, and you'll be a happy camper!!!

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Old 03-29-2007, 02:44 PM   #5
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

how can a fairly constant current draw cause interference with another battery, again, with a fairly constant current draw? surely that's not possible?

i can understand why you don't want a RX near the ignition unit, as several 1000v is bound to create some interference, but a battery? cant understand that one!
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Old 03-29-2007, 03:07 PM   #6
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how can a fairly constant current draw cause interference with another battery, again, with a fairly constant current draw? surely that's not possible?

i can understand why you don't want a RX near the ignition unit, as several 1000v is bound to create some interference, but a battery? cant understand that one!
What happens is that there is a lot of noise in an ignition system. This noise can get coupled onto the battery wires coming into the ignition. Then the battery wires act like a transmitting antenna.
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ah i see

why not buy the smart fly fibre optic kill switch? be safe and remove any electrical link
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Old 03-29-2007, 03:51 PM   #8
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ah i see

why not buy the smart fly fibre optic kill switch? be safe and remove any electrical link
That's only for remote ignition turn on/off from the receiver. It isolates the receiver channel you use for turn on/off from the ignition. You still need a battery to power the ignition.
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Old 03-29-2007, 06:44 PM   #9
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... and then there is 2.4 Ghz. Total elimination of RC generated radio noises concerns.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:40 PM   #10
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

anyone hear about interference happening from the rx and ignition batteries being close? i am having CG issues and can resolve it by taking the ignition battery off the engine box and putting it near the rx batteries. Thoughts?

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Old 04-05-2007, 01:02 PM   #11
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

I've heard of it happening... noise that it. I've had it myself... I repositioned my RX packs close to the ignition switch/battery and my engine running range checks went way down.

That being said, my unerstanding is that igntions are supposed to be well shielded. Over time this shielding can break down. As it breaks down you can get more and more RF noise generated through any ignition related wiring. If running a PCM RX you may not see this noise until it is strong enough to cause a lockout. I've always used IPD RXs... I can range check in PPM mode periodically to see if I am developing a problem.

My new solution... I'm switching everything to 2.4 GHz. You could strap your RX to the IGN and be fine.
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

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What happens is that there is a lot of noise in an ignition system. This noise can get coupled onto the battery wires coming into the ignition. Then the battery wires act like a transmitting antenna.
Hi guys,

I bougth a plane, it's new and never flew.
I'm worry because I read some articles about the ignition parts location, and I think the locations of ignition switch and ignition battery aren't ok. (look the schema..the plane is a Yak 86'').

I didn't perform a radio range check, before this I would like to know your opinions about this.



Thank you

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Old 12-30-2008, 05:15 PM   #13
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

I also have the Duralight set up on my yak and using a JR 2.4 system and have never once had any type of interference. My 2 cents
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

In my 100cc Aeroworks Yak I mounted all three batteries to the plywood access plate directly behind/on top of the firewall. I have two 4300mah redundant li-po packs and a single 2900mah redundant li-po strapped and banded together with rubber bands and foam.

I use the wonderful 2.4gig 12X JR radio and the 12 channel receiver that comes with it. I only have four flights on the bird but everything has been rock solid when it comes to the radio thus far. If there is a gremlin it has yet to surface.

Maybe I'm asking for trouble, I dunno. . . I do want the CG back a bit more so I'm planning to start moving batteries around anyway.
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:42 AM   #15
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Default Re: Ignition battery near rx battery?

Regarding to 2.4Ghz being completely immune to noise interference from the ignition, I might disagree , s friend of mine has a Spectra G gas helicopter powered by a Zenoah G230 engine ,and the radio is Futaba 2.4Ghz , and as soon as the engine starts to rev up, you can see the helicopter starting to move and hop like crazy , even though I´ve tried to separate the ignition coil and the Rx as far as it can go .
The bottom line is that 2.4Ghz is not perfect either.
I´m still trying to fix that problem
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