H9 Cap 33%... what's a good weight???

[sprice50]

	Quote: Originally Posted by AHP
	Mine is currently about 24lb's with a BME 110 and absolutely rocks!

Any balancing issues with the 110? I am assuming that you are running lipos, where are they located?

	Quote: Originally Posted by AHP
	As for the H9 Cap vs. Edge, I had an Edge with a ZDZ80 and recently sold it. Overall, the Edge was a good all around flyer but I honestly found it boring. It's not a bad plane by any means, it was just too sedate for me. My only real complaint about the Edge is the rudder is weak. I had plenty of servo on the rudder and all the throw I could get and it would barely climb in KE.. The Edge will hover and TQ pretty much hands off; that's the only thing it does better than the Cap.

How did the Edge harrier compared to the Cap? Also I would have expected the Edge to be twitchier with the straight LE so I am surprised that it was too sedate. Did you run a powerbox? Perhaps your servo wasn't getting the power it needed after Jaybird's comment.

Thanks again for all the insight's!

Shaun

[AHP]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Jaybird
	My Edge will KE loop no problem.

Really? Mine had absolutely no hope of a KE loop. It would lazily climb in KE with full deflection. I know it wasn't servo blowback.. I played around with the CG and the only result was more or less coupling. A buddy of mine has one with a 3W 100 and even with quite a bit more power, the rudder was weak on his as well. With my Cap, I can lean it over in a hover and transition into HA KE, the Edge would just lean and fall out. Funky...

In my experience, the Edge does everything a little slower than the Cap. It gives the perception of flying a little 'bigger' (if that makes sense). Either way, both are great planes, but very different.

[AHP]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sprice50
	Any balancing issues with the 110? I am assuming that you are running lipos, where are they located?

None at all. I'm running TBM Li Ions - the ignition pack and reg is on the wing tube and the 2 RX packs and regs are back on the tray next to the RX directly under the canopy. I'd take a pic but I'm out of town on business.

	Quote:
	How did the Edge harrier compared to the Cap? Also I would have expected the Edge to be twitchier with the straight LE so I am surprised that it was too sedate. Did you run a powerbox? Perhaps your servo wasn't getting the power it needed after Jaybird's comment. Thanks again for all the insight's! Shaun

The Edge harriers ok but you need to work it a bit more to keep it stable. Overall, it harriers fairly well. The Cap absolutely locks in, though, both upright and inverted. My Edge was very touchy in inverted harriers and really had a narrow 'sweet spot'.

What I mean about the Edge being sedate is it just felt lazy to me. It does everything slower (which isn't always a bad thing). It doesn't really tumble or lomcevak and snaps are very sloppy (some Edges snap better than others). The Cap is much more high energy and crisp feeling. I like to do a mixture of precision and 3D and the Edge just doesn't groove; it feels more loose.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Edge at all and would recommend it to anyone looking for a good knock-around 33%. I'm just nitpicking the 2 on the comparisons. Not sure about the rudder. I had a 2 5945's on the rudder which is plenty. My Cap has a single 5955 and has more rudder than you would ever need. My buddy's Edge with the 3W has 2 8611's.

I have a few very low quality videos on my cell phone from yesterday. I might be able to upload them.

[Bat Fastard]

"None at all. I'm running TBM Li Ions - the ignition pack and reg is on the wing tube and the 2 RX packs and regs are back on the tray next to the RX directly under the canopy."


Is yours tail heavy? I've got all three TBM lipo's stuffed up in the motor box and it flys almost hands off inverted. BME 110, stock muffs, and Mejzlik prop. I do agree about the rudder though, mine has a single 5735 and it has all of the power the plane needs.

[AHP]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Bat Fastard
	Is yours tail heavy? I've got all three TBM lipo's stuffed up in the motor box and it flys almost hands off inverted. BME 110, stock muffs, and Mejzlik prop. I do agree about the rudder though, mine has a single 5735 and it has all of the power the plane needs.

No, it's fairly neutral right now. I have 2 canopy hatches; one that's gutted and moves the CG forward and one that has a heavy pilot and dash in it. I flew it yesterday with the light hatch because it was very windy and gusty and I wanted it a bit more nose heavy.

My girlfriend was playing with my new cell phone and shot some video yesterday. The video quality is crap and so I tried to keep it close in for the most part. The engine was a little rich and sluggish; the weather changed quite a bit since the last time I flew it..

http://media.putfile.com/H9-Cap-BME-110-20MPH-Winds (no it didn't touch in the beginning )

http://media.putfile.com/H9-Cap-BME-110-20MPH-Winds-pt2


You'll need a newer version of Quicktime to view .3g2 files

[Jaybird]

I am running a single 8611a regulated to 6 volts with a 1.25" arm on my Edge. Full rate rudder just touches the elevators. Not sure about the balance point but it will climb ever so slightly inverted. Actually it doesn't snap all that bad, just don't bang the elevator. Just use enough elevator to get the job done. As far as harriers go, the Cap is king. It is the ultimate harrier trainer. It does drop the inside wing in a very tight harrier turn but a blip of power and opposite aileron pops it right back up. Mine was never very stable inverted, I figured it was the dihedral, or it could have just been me lol. The Edge is better inverted but you do have to stay on the ailerons while upright to keep it smooth. To someone watching they will never realize it if you are quick enough.
Brian

[sprice50]

I'm having trouble watching the videos on putfile. Any chance of uploading them to the giants site?

[AHP]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sprice50
	I'm having trouble watching the videos on putfile. Any chance of uploading them to the giants site?

Try it now. I couldn't upload them here because they were .3g2 files and not supported. Putfile converts the files to a more web-friendly format. They've been converted and should load without a problem. They're from a cell phone so the quality is less than desirable.

For reference, the wind was gusting 15-20MPH out of the east (right side on the video). The Cap harriers in the wind with ease - upwind, downwind and cross.

[JoeAirPort]

	Quote: Originally Posted by AHP
	No, it's fairly neutral right now. I have 2 canopy hatches; one that's gutted and moves the CG forward and one that has a heavy pilot and dash in it. I flew it yesterday with the light hatch because it was very windy and gusty and I wanted it a bit more nose heavy. My girlfriend was playing with my new cell phone and shot some video yesterday. The video quality is crap and so I tried to keep it close in for the most part. The engine was a little rich and sluggish; the weather changed quite a bit since the last time I flew it.. http://media.putfile.com/H9-Cap-BME-110-20MPH-Winds (no it didn't touch in the beginning ) http://media.putfile.com/H9-Cap-BME-110-20MPH-Winds-pt2 You'll need a newer version of Quicktime to view .3g2 files

Excellent examples of how well it 3D's. You like to fly low, no doubt about that. I liked the harrier touch and go (the one that you said something like "I hope you got that"). Maybe I'll pick one of these up for my first 33%.r. Looks nice for 3D. H9 should definitely re-release this one.

[AHP]

It's definitely a 3D monster and flies precision nicely as well. It really handles the wind nicely, especially in a harrier. Most planes you have to constantly fight to keep a forward motion without looking terrible with a very strong headwind. As you can tell in the vid, the Cap just drives through it without much juggling. I was just screwing around in the video testing out the cell phone camera. I didn't intend for it to be for public consumption but this thread was here so why not! Besides, I'm all about sharing. Haha!

As far as I know, H9 is, or at least had plans to re-release it.

The harrier touch and go worked out pretty well. That's the first time I had done that with the plane. The front wheels just barely touched the ground. I was able to drag the tail wheel down the runway for about 20ft but it didn't get caught on video.

[3DCrazy516]

	Quote: Originally Posted by AHP
	I was able to drag the tail wheel down the runway for about 20ft but it didn't get caught on video.

Sweet can't wait to get mine in the air!

[WangoTango]

H-9 33% CAP 232 MAIDEN!
I gotta be the last guy on earth to fly one! (Actually I've flown a H-9 33% Cap but it wasn't mine!) I bought this one from Chief A/C in May of 2002. I finished it last weekend. It took forever getting all the components on a shoestring budget. Kids at college and high school level tend to take all of Daddy's money but I managed to finish it out. I have a 10X driving 8611 servos plus a 8417 for throttle. A couple of Match Boxes are keeping the servos from ripping each other apart. I had a brand new (old style) 3W-80 twin that I put on the front end. Got to learn all about baffling and redundant switches and batteries and mounting ignition units....... The prop selection wasn't all that great when I went shopping for one but I found one of the new Evolution props at a LHS. After reading the break-in instructions about running a 24-10 for one hour to aid in breaking in the motor I went with this 24-10 EVO prop. About a minute into the very first break-in run I started seeing some serious vibration of the tail at idle. I thought it was the way I had tightened the six bolts so I decided to check it the next day before I flew it. I pulled off the spinner and something wasn't quite right. I un-bolted the prop and the whole hub section was split in several places and the thrust washer had embedded itself about 3/32" into the prop hub. (So much for a beechwood prop!..... I'm pretty much of the opinion that beechwood anything is for aging Bud beer and carbon fiber is for the front end of my planes!) I wanted to fly this thing come hell or high water so I started looking for a make-do prop. I found a Zinger 22-14 in my prop stash that had the same bolt pattern as my 3Dub-80. I put it on and headed for the field. The engine ran very smooth(even at idle) and seemed to pull very well also. after a good range check, my son and I shared the test flight duties and it was pretty fast and somewhat touchy. We tweeked the elevator down a tad and flew two more flights of ten minute durations. Couldn't be happier with it. It weighs 24 1/2 pounds. I'm going to order a prop for it this week. I'm leaning toward a Mezlic 26-10 but I'm open for suggestions.............(Want something carbon fiber to keep the hub from squishing in like the EVO did.)
WT

[3DCrazy516]

My dad had two and didn't have any baffling in them, and it ran fine, although it quite on takeoff on the second one but that probally doesn't have to deal with baffling. Wondering if you need it? anybody using it?

[WangoTango]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 3DCrazy516
	My dad had two and didn't have any baffling in them, and it ran fine, although it quite on takeoff on the second one but that probably doesn't have to deal with baffling. Wondering if you need it? anybody using it?

Mine has 3/32" lite ply baffles attached just inside the air openings of the cowl. I have light, thin aluminum sheet from the front edges of the cylinders over the top and curving down behind each cylinder. The width of the aluminum sheet is about 4.5". There are two of them; one on each side. The heat generated from the cylinders is forced down and out of the lower cowl opening. I ran only the front baffles for the first 15 minutes of run time on the new motor (3W-80 twin) and after feeling the top of the cowl, I installed the rear aluminum baffles. The top of the cowl felt really hot to the touch but is not an issue now that the baffles are in place!
WT

[krayzc]

had mine out yesterday with the DA -85 very sweet machine i must say its the 2nd generaton one at 22lbs