"Clearest Presentation" or "Proper Gemotery" which to judge by.

[Wayne]

Paul,

I havent been flying IMAC all that long but one thing I learned quickly is that if you get all wrapped up in the judging aspect and you cant stand getting lower scores than you think you deserve you wont stay with it very long.

Its fun, 99% of us arent going to win money flying IMAC. We do it as a hobby and strive to get better on a personal level. I know when I am flying a good sequence and when I am not.
If someone downgrades my end box 45's so be it.


HAVE FUN PEOPLE!

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by paffy
	How would you feel if you attended an IMAC flying/judgin seminar to get some clear answers and half the instructors said A and the other half said exact opposite of it ? That's exactly what happened. It could drive many people away from IMAC real quick. If you feel totally indifferent to this, that's fine. I know many competitors who don't. P.

Paul. . there is a typo-crazed troll lurking on the threads. . .please be more careful with your typos. . they send him into spastic "must correct it" fits. . .

[paffy]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	Paul, I havent been flying IMAC all that long but one thing I learned quickly is that if you get all wrapped up in the judging aspect and you cant stand getting lower scores than you think you deserve you wont stay with it very long. Its fun, 99% of us arent going to win money flying IMAC. We do it as a hobby and strive to get better on a personal level. I know when I am flying a good sequence and when I am not. If someone downgrades my end box 45's so be it. HAVE FUN PEOPLE!

I feel you. I haven't been flying that long either. I stopped analyzing my scores after the first season

P.S.
Wasn't there a cash prize for you in Shootout ?

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by paffy
	P.S. Wasn't there a cash prize for you in Shootout ?

No.

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Wayne
	Paul, I havent been flying IMAC all that long but one thing I learned quickly is that if you get all wrapped up in the judging aspect and you cant stand getting lower scores than you think you deserve you wont stay with it very long. Its fun, 99% of us arent going to win money flying IMAC. We do it as a hobby and strive to get better on a personal level. I know when I am flying a good sequence and when I am not. If someone downgrades my end box 45's so be it. HAVE FUN PEOPLE!

I have yet to see anyone who received a string of (Accurate) 2's-6's, when in the previous round they got a ton of 7's and 8's, NOT react harshly toward the judge giving the scores. I've even seen CD's try to intercede and tell judges to "soften up" their scoring (not me judging even) because they thought BAsic, Sportsman and Intermediate flyers needed to be judged less stringently because they could not fly as well as the "big boys"

Cmon, Wayne .. who are we all kidding here. . I certainly hate getting low scores, especially when my caller (the only guy I am competing against in my class) tells ME I am whooping his butt round after round. No one likes low scores for good flying. .we should all abhore high scores for poor flying as well.

Who are we trying to kid?

[Shawn Berkheimer]

Make no mistake that I have a smile on my face and am typing this out of humor.


SHUT UP AND GO FLY!!!!!!

Now to the serious:
To anyone who is reading this and wondering if they should or should not try their hand at IMAC, this type of thing really is only a problem here on the internet. You will not find these issues at a typical contest (at least not here in the SW region). We all have a great time together, we help one another, our flying improves and we have a great time. Please do not let a couple of sour grapes keep you from joining in on what I think to be the beast aspect of R/C

Shawn

[Judge]

Discuss all you want to, but nothing will get changed until somebody starts the process with the AMA. Submit a proposal and let the SACB determine if a change is required.

Kris, you are so certain of your ideas, why keep beating the dead horse on the internet? Take action. Do something. Get your ideas in front of the people who can actually make the changes you feel are necessary.

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	Discuss all you want to, but nothing will get changed until somebody starts the process with the AMA. Submit a proposal and let the SACB determine if a change is required. Kris, you are so certain of your ideas, why keep beating the dead horse on the internet? Take action. Do something. Get your ideas in front of the people who can actually make the changes you feel are necessary.

It's your job, Bill.

[madmax]

OMG. Kris, with all due respect, please try to lighten up. Thanks.

[JeeUm]

This is putting a seriously sour taste in my mouth about IMAC right now.

From my point of view, I don't care one bit about all this techincal stuff. I like to fly IMAC because it's a good way to spend the day with other RC freaks and to improve my skills.

This bickering is just getting stale.

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	As the Chairman of the rules committee, I would think this entire thread would have been unnecessary because you would have already fixed all these problems, Bill.

Well what can I say Kris. Several people worked very hard over a long period of time to make as many changes as we could. Some still got missed. Sorry. But I do not recall hearing your name mentioned as someone who would be willing to participate in actually help in making the changes. Given the nearly boundless energy you have for finding fault with the hard work of others it is a real shame that you cannot direct that into something productive.

	Quote:
	Why don't YOU submit them and get them fixed?? You know all the people, can pull all the strings, have all the contacts and old boys network working to your advantage. Why don't you just take care of it?

There are no strings to pull Kris. There is a very clear process laid out by the AMA. I have tried without success to make that clear. What still interests me is how you want somebody else to do this for you. These are your ideas. You clearly feel very strongly about this. Why is it that you cannot find the time and energy to help IMAC make the changes you feel are required? Why is it that you apparently seem to prefer to let others do the actual work while you merely sit at your keyboard and find fault with what they end up doing??

	Quote:
	Then, when it's fixed, properly, we'll all shut up.

Sadly Kris your long established history on the internet has proven this would likely not be the case.

[Wayne]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	I have yet to see anyone who received a string of (Accurate) 2's-6's, when in the previous round they got a ton of 7's and 8's, NOT react harshly toward the judge giving the scores.

I can honestly say I have NEVER seen that.
We just have fun here in NC.

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Judge
	Sadly Kris your long established history on the internet has proven this would likely not be the case.

Try me

Pauls rehash and editing of the pertinent areas of the F&JG is a good starting point. IMAC needs clear, unambiguous standards. After we get that, the training of judges will be a lot easier.

[Fixed Wing]

	Quote: Originally Posted by KrisW
	I had a lot to do at work today, but managed to find 5 minutes to put some brain cells to work on this "logic". I'm sure someone might find it . . . interesting.

I do find it interesting that you spent only five minutes on this post yet you were able to type 716 words (according to Microsoft Word). That's a whopping 143 words per minute! On top of that you were able to put your brain cells to work on the logic of what you wanted to say. I wonder how much time was left over for the thinking part?

[KrisW]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Fixed Wing
	I do find it interesting that you spent only five minutes on this post yet you were able to type 716 words (according to Microsoft Word). That's a whopping 143 words per minute! On top of that you were able to put your brain cells to work on the logic of what you wanted to say. I wonder how much time was left over for the thinking part?

What a strange, non sequitar, moment.

Actualy, I didn't use a keyboard. I merelywaved my hand and the words appeared on the screen, then I hit Enter.