FlyingGiants Exclusive! Introducing The Futaba 12FG, Modules & More!

[Judge]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	Do the modules use the (slow) PPM output? If so, you would still be better off with a new native 2.4Ghz transmitter. Any possibilities of sending in the 14MZ to have it upgraded propperly, with the antenna mounted the right place?

Reports from the folks at Futaba are that the module systems are as fast, or faster, than the PCM 2048. I have not seen anything comparing the "speed" to regular PPM mode.

[notorious_benny]

USAGE PRECAUTIONS

1. Special attention must be paid before turning on the transmitter while other models are running or flying because the
2.4GHz system may affect them.
2. If there is a special regulation for using 2.4GHz radio systems at your flying site, please obey all regulations to enjoy safe
flying with your 2.4GHz system.
3. 2.4GHz is very different than the frequencies we currently use. Please keep the model in sight at all times as large
objects can block the RF signal. Please keep in mind that objects such as wire fences and wire mesh will also cause loss of
signal.
4.

NEVER grip the transmitter antenna when flying as this degrades RF quality and cause loss of control.

The above is lifted straight from the isers manual. What the heck does the manual mean when it says that mesh or wire fences will cause loss of sgnal?? Does that mean if the fence gets ibetween the model on the tx or does it mean if the fence is in the vicinity of the model being operated?? Its a little bit vauge.

[Tor]

Yes, but the communication between the TX and the module - if that is PPM, it will be slower (weakest part of the chain), than a native 2.4Ghz. Same problem with the Spectrum modules.

Here is a pic I made btw of how I imagine it would look installed:

[Boulder]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Tor
	Do the modules use the (slow) PPM output? If so, you would still be better off with a new native 2.4Ghz transmitter. Any possibilities of sending in the 14MZ to have it upgraded propperly, with the antenna mounted the right place?

Slow? From my understanding of transmitter function, PPM is faster than any of the PCM systems out there, however you don't get the security of PCM function. The PPM systems, being strictly FM, are a "direct drive system", with no computation involved, IE: no processing involved in the output. Anytime you have processing involved, there will be "some" latency.

I'm sure if I have a misunderstanding of transmitter function someone will correct me in short order.

[JagerBomb]

When using the 12Z & 14MZ modules the processing speed will be
equal to the current systems. You can figure everything that the 12
& 14 does now, will continue with the 2.4 FASST modules.

Futaba isn't using the trainer port like on the other system. Therefore it will be as Fasst as the 2048 we are currently using. Nice photochop, it shows that even if you use a tray like myself it will be no problem.

I applaud Futaba for the first class execution of the upgrade for all their current customers as well as launching new complete systems for the hobbyist as well. They are leading the way in looking out for their customers who have invested heavily in their products. I'm very proud to be associated with Team Futaba. I can't wait for Toledo

[TrojanMan]

It just keeps getting better and better! My blackberry was going off all day long with all of this!
Way to go Futaba!

[Judge]

Not sure this got posted yet (probably did) but here it is again to keep it current:

Futaba FASST!!!!!!!

details here:

http://2.4gigahertz.com/radios/futk9275.html

http://2.4gigahertz.com/modules/futl7637.html

This is such a cool thing, I'm figuring out right now just how much I can afford!! Defintely a module for the 14MZ and several 14 channel RXs. And what the heck, maybe a 12FG just cause it looks so damn cool!!!!!

Team Futaba

[Windecker]

Great news today for sure!

I think they mean if the fence is inbetween the tx and rx but I am not positive. I have been testing the 6 version of the FASST next to my all steel metal hangar at work (airport) with no problems at all. Also flown indoors with a bunch of steel structure with no issues. The 2.4 stuff is line of sight so we have to be keep that in mind. Of course, most of us if not able to see the plane have lost it already anyway
Also given the history of frequency control, some clubs enforce the pin rule even with the 2.4 stuff to help prevent accidents from happening due to being in the habit of getting a pin every time. Also, new people "not knowing" what is going on using a standard 72 meg system, may think it is ok to just turn on and go like the guy next to him just did with the 2.4 radio...
Will B.

	Quote: Originally Posted by notorious_benny
	USAGE PRECAUTIONS 1. Special attention must be paid before turning on the transmitter while other models are running or flying because the 2.4GHz system may affect them. 2. If there is a special regulation for using 2.4GHz radio systems at your flying site, please obey all regulations to enjoy safe flying with your 2.4GHz system. 3. 2.4GHz is very different than the frequencies we currently use. Please keep the model in sight at all times as large objects can block the RF signal. Please keep in mind that objects such as wire fences and wire mesh will also cause loss of signal. 4. NEVER grip the transmitter antenna when flying as this degrades RF quality and cause loss of control. The above is lifted straight from the isers manual. What the heck does the manual mean when it says that mesh or wire fences will cause loss of sgnal?? Does that mean if the fence gets ibetween the model on the tx or does it mean if the fence is in the vicinity of the model being operated?? Its a little bit vauge.

[Windecker]

Not positive, but I think the ppm is like 1024 speed. Might need to cross check that though. The new 2.4 FASST speed as stated in several areas above is similar to the 2048 speed which is very fast. Switch from 1024 to 2048 and you will under snap your snaps till you get used to the faster speed.
Will B.

	Quote: Originally Posted by Boulder
	Slow? From my understanding of transmitter function, PPM is faster than any of the PCM systems out there, however you don't get the security of PCM function. The PPM systems, being strictly FM, are a "direct drive system", with no computation involved, IE: no processing involved in the output. Anytime you have processing involved, there will be "some" latency. I'm sure if I have a misunderstanding of transmitter function someone will correct me in short order.

[hovervt]

I cannot wait to see the differeces between the 12Fg and plugging in a module to my 12z. Will the FG have more or less features. Hope we see a price soon. Just want more info. FLYNYAK, looks like we will need to get out the Heat gun and revise your trailer. lol It will look bettter with orange decals anyways. lol

[crhammond]

I posted on RCU here regardin the 12Z/14MZ modules: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_56...tm.htm#5671238

They got back to me in less than the time it took me to fly home from my business trip! I posted 5 mins before wheels up - I land at home, check email and they already replied!

According to BAX - the modules for the 12Z and 14MZ make your radio into a FASST system. No PPM, no PCM, no latency, more features than the 12FG.

All I can say is I am SO GLAD I bought my 12Z now! Wooo Hooo!!!!

[Tor]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Boulder
	Slow? From my understanding of transmitter function, PPM is faster than any of the PCM systems out there

From the Spectrum thead:
http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...clusive-3.html

	Quote: Originally Posted by toprudder
	Unless Spektrum has reverse engineered the Futaba PCM data stream, then they would have to use PPM. I don't know for a fact, but I have heard that at least some of the 9ch Futaba systems won't output more than 8 channels in PPM mode. If the system uses PPM, then we are stuck with the update rate of a standard PPM system, somewhere around 20ms. The newer Futaba systems (12MZ and 14MZ) using G3 PCM have faster update rates, and I suspect any 2.4ghz module and receivers that Futaba comes out with will probably utilize the PCM data stream, or possibly have a firware update for something even better for their 2.4ghz module...

So... is the TX using PPM to communicate with the modules or not?

[crhammond]

	Quote: Originally Posted by hovervt
	I cannot wait to see the differeces between the 12Fg and plugging in a module to my 12z. Will the FG have more or less features. Hope we see a price soon. Just want more info. FLYNYAK, looks like we will need to get out the Heat gun and revise your trailer. lol It will look bettter with orange decals anyways. lol

According to BAX - the FG is between the 9C and 12Z - less features. So a 12Z with a 2.4 FASST module is more feature rich than a 12FG.

[crhammond]

No PPM on the 12Z/14MZ ... no idea on the others.

[notorious_benny]

	Quote: Originally Posted by crhammond
	According to BAX - the FG is between the 9C and 12Z - less features. So a 12Z with a 2.4 FASST module is more feature rich than a 12FG.

Well that settles it then, I have been tossing up getting a 14mz for a while but have been holding out for a 2.4 version.
If I get the 14mz I can still use 36Mhz if I wish, choice is always nice!