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View Poll Results: Best airframe for Primarly Freestyle
3W 37.5% Yak 28 38.36%
Carden 40% Extra 330 7 9.59%
Carden 40% Edge 540 7 9.59%
Carden 40% Extra 260 11 15.07%
Dalton 40% Extra 260 20 27.40%
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:43 PM   #1
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Ok,I am going to get a new 40% plane and I need your help in deciding which one to get .The choices are based on a plane with the best aerodynamic design for both (Freestyle primarly) and IMMAC . Traits I look for in a good airframe are -a powerful rudder (drive out the bottom of a KE loop) -No or very minimal KE coupling from mild to extreme throw. - Must be under 40lbs. - No pitching in a tight flat turns inverted or upright. -Very nimble (not draggy and slow). -Crisp snaps that stop on a dime. -stable in TR and in all hi alpha attitudes. Please only reply if you have had prior experience with one of the 5 pole choices.

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Old 06-14-2007, 05:31 PM   #2
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I pick dalton based on popularity and seeing it be wringed out.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:32 PM   #3
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Let me know when you find a plane like that - I'll buy one too!
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:50 PM   #4
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Let me know when you find a plane like that - I'll buy one too!
LOL ,I was waiting for a reply like that!
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:52 PM   #5
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Curious why you aren't considering the newer Carden 300 (midwing)?
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:05 PM   #6
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Curious why you aren't considering the newer Carden 300 (midwing)?
Hey neghbor! It crossed my mind. aw heck why not... Its so new I didnt think any one would have much experience with that one yet. How do you like yours?Can you compair it to any of the planes I have listed?

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Old 06-14-2007, 07:12 PM   #7
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Godfrey"s are good tooo!
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:17 PM   #8
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Godfrey"s are good tooo!
Godfrey, Sounds like Italian Mafia.Do you mean the Dalton Extra 300?Is that .....uh ,Godfrey?

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Carden 330 or Cap
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I really like my Aerotech 300.......though it wasn't one of your choices
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Default Re: The best 40% for me?

Here's my feelings:

From your "wish list":

"powerful rudder": Carden 300 has the strongest rudder I have ever flown. I have had the Carden 330 and two 3m Comp ARF Extras, have flown the Carden Edge. The 300 is stronger than any. Knife edge loops are a breeze. Point rolls and rolling manuevers-very, very good. Just breathe on the rudder.

"minimal knife edge coupling": I have 4% mixed in- rudder to elevator. This is, of course, also a function of CG. My CG is right on the recommended spot. 4% is, in my experience, not much.

"must be under 40lbs" Mine, with ZDZ Super 160 and MTW cannisters, weighed under 37lbs.

"very nimble, not draggy"- yes- it is not lumbering

"crisp snaps that stop on a dime"- mine snaps very quickly- the fastest snaps on any plane I have flown. Stops very quickly- this is a function of wing weight so keeping the wings light helps too.

"stable in torque roll and high alpha"- mine is set up for sequence flying only- no 3D rates so I haven't explored this. I have seen Albert Santiagos and his seemed to do both very well- perhaps he'll chime in. Rob Teseo as well.

Bottom line- my opinion- All the planes you list are great flyers. The Edge is probably more of a 3D plane and less of a sequence plane. The Carden 330 and 260 are both great- I would rank them 300 best, 260 right behind it then 330. The Dalton - also very very good.

Perhaps other factors will drive your decision- do you want to build or have some pre-fabrication? What plane do you like the looks best, etc.


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Ok,I am going to get a new 40% plane and I need your help in deciding which one to get .The choices are based on a plane with the best aerodynamic design for both (Freestyle primarly) and IMMAC . Traits I look for in a good airframe are -a powerful rudder (drive out the bottom of a KE loop) -No or very minimal KE coupling from mild to extreme throw. - Must be under 40lbs. - No pitching in a tight flat turns inverted or upright. -Very nimble (not draggy and slow). -Crisp snaps that stop on a dime. -stable in TR and in all hi alpha attitudes. Please only reply if you have had prior experience with one of the 5 pole choices.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:11 PM   #12
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Getcha a Wild Hare. Those things are amazing.
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Thanks for the input dmicheal.The 300 sounds like a good candidate too. I don't mind a full kit or partial-prefab.I like the looks of the 3W Yak the most, but looks aside for now I want to make my decision based on the best flying one.
Guys Please chime in if you have had experience with the 3W Yak or any of the others I have listed too.I would like to hear the pros and cons too.

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Old 06-15-2007, 07:18 AM   #14
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Default Re: The best 40% for me?

hey travis,

Thought I would add that I also have a 39% 300 as well. Mark is flying one now at XFC. 123" wingspan and weighs 36.5. He has told me that it is the best freestyle plane that he has ever flown.
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:30 AM   #15
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hey travis,

Thought I would add that I also have a 39% 300 as well. Mark is flying one now at XFC. 123" wingspan and weighs 36.5. He has told me that it is the best freestyle plane that he has ever flown.
Wow 36.5 lbs?! Hows the coupling in KE if any?Looks like it has a strong rudder too.Are you still offering sheeted kits?
I have heard the 42%260 is the best for freestyle but hearing it strait from the source I would take you and Marks' word for it if you say the 300 is best for freestyle, not that the 260 is bad choice though cuz I have seen Kyle fly the snot outa dat bioch!

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