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[barrelheaven]

Trade for my car?

[madmax]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sensei
	It is funny you show this old NASA film clip because I was a member of the crew that set up the air craft, I also was present for the crash and recovery of it during my years with NASA. Bob

Holy moly!! You worked on that Bob?!? That's freaking awesome dude, I remember following the test in popular science (I think) back when I was a kid.. Specifically 12. Sorry, dated myself! Don't mean to go fanboy here, and pardon the pun, but I'm always blown away by what I learn from our members, and their history/experience in aviation and their careers. Thanks for sharing that with us!! I do have a question that's totally OT for this thread - can you share what it was like setting up the project, what you did, and how well the test performed? As I recall, it was supposed to test a new non-flamable fuel. I also remember large ginsu knife looking things that were placed in the desert to chop the wings off in strategic locations. I just googled and watched about 10 videos that brought back alot of memories of this event.

Thanks Mr. Sawyer not only for the big bird, but for bringing your experience to our members. This is all too cool.

Best--

MD

[redneckteddy103]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 50%plane
	In brief, The AMA is a secondary insurance distributer. They can not regulate what types of RC aircraft are flown worldwide, unless their insurance would be in question. As far as the FAA goes, they really only care as to how close to an airport you're flying. Moving on...... That's a lot of hinges! 50%

your right about the world wide part but wrong about it in the united states and the faa , ama has the right to yank your ama and ban you from ever getting an ama card , which is required to fly at most events if you ever want to , and as far as the faa they would class this as a uav and would require a permit , oh and while i was at ama headquarters for ircha i asked what they thought of huge planes and found out that they are looking at this post , not to rain on any ones parade but thats the facts . i deal with faa stuff due to my father he is and a&P I/A that works on ems helicopters

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...AC/ac91-57.pdf

[50%plane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by redneckteddy103
	your right about the world wide part but wrong about it in the united states and the faa , ama has the right to yank your ama and ban you from ever getting an ama card , which is required to fly at most events if you ever want to , and as far as the faa they would class this as a uav and would require a permit , oh and while i was at ama headquarters for ircha i asked what they thought of huge planes and found out that they are looking at this post , not to rain on any ones parade but thats the facts . i deal with faa stuff due to my father he is and a&P I/A that works on ems helicopters

No I was right the first time.

Let's move this to another thread if you want to discuss it further.


50%

[redneckteddy103]

nope i wouldnt

i know better and the fact of it is everyone thinks it all neatooo untill someone gets hurt , there has been a lot of bad publisity for the radio controlled world in the past by people being injured or killed by radio contol aircraft and it dont need to continue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and to the fg staff if you want to close out my account so be it , i have no hard feels toward yall .

[50%plane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by redneckteddy103
	nope i wouldnt i know better and the fact of it is everyone thinks it all neatooo untill someone gets hurt , there has been a lot of bad publisity for the radio controlled world in the past by people being injured or killed by radio contol aircraft and it dont need to continue !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off, the AMA is an insurance distributer. They have no say over what kinds of models can be flown. I wouldn't doubt that they would pull their insurance over something like this though.

Second, can you prove that the 100 .lb faa uav/rc limit exist? I can't. I only found it refrenced one time and that was not in FAA rules. Here's what I did find though: http://www.uavm.com/images/ac91-57.pdf


Thirdly, what does your father working on EMS helicopters have to do with UAV's and RC aircraft being classified as such?


50%

[50%plane]

	Quote: Originally Posted by redneckteddy103
	and to the fg staff if you want to close out my account so be it , i have no hard feels toward yall .

Fourthly, why would the FG staff want to close your account? FG isn't like the U or RCG. This site is a whole new breed of modeling. Where achievement is embraced.


50%


p.s. Also, I believe that since the guy(Sensie) who origionally built the plane did similar stuff for NASA(ok, bad understatement) I think that he knows what the rules are, as well as those who are going to fly the plane.

[redneckteddy103]

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...approvals/uas/

[Jamieman]

Moving right along!

[Craven]

We just want to see the plane fly. That is all.

Carry on...........

[gronniger]

I'm new here, but I sense some serious trolling. I'm with the rest of you guys, can't wait to see her fly! Best of luck!

[notorious_benny]

	Quote: Originally Posted by redneckteddy103
	http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...approvals/uas/

Sorry dude, that link dosnt really back you up.

"Do I need an experimental certificate for my UAS?

No, if you are a hobbyist and intend to fly your model aircraft in accordance with the guidance in Advisory Circular 91-57, Model Aircraft Operating Standards."


Theres always gotta be one spoil sport, personally I cant wait to see video of this monster flying!

[sensei]

	Quote: Originally Posted by madmax
	Holy moly!! You worked on that Bob?!? That's freaking awesome dude, I remember following the test in popular science (I think) back when I was a kid.. Specifically 12. Sorry, dated myself! Don't mean to go fanboy here, and pardon the pun, but I'm always blown away by what I learn from our members, and their history/experience in aviation and their careers. Thanks for sharing that with us!! I do have a question that's totally OT for this thread - can you share what it was like setting up the project, what you did, and how well the test performed? As I recall, it was supposed to test a new non-flamable fuel. I also remember large ginsu knife looking things that were placed in the desert to chop the wings off in strategic locations. I just googled and watched about 10 videos that brought back alot of memories of this event. Thanks Mr. Sawyer not only for the big bird, but for bringing your experience to our members. This is all too cool. Best-- MD

During my eight years at Dryden Flight Research Center as an engineering technician, we were invoved with hundreds of research programs, but as I recall, the CID (crash in desert) program drew a lot of attention. You are right, the test was mainly about fuel flamability. However, there where many other tests as well, and with much success. The plan was to fly into the knives, cutting off both wings in designated zones. This was goint to allow the fuel to pass through the degraders rendering the fuel mostly inert. That never happend because the airplane got into a slight PIO and the cutters wound up cutting into the one of the engines causing an explosion. Here is a story of an unofficial test that day. My dad was an avionics engineering guy at Nasa for some 30 years, and he was the last person out of that Boeing 720 before it's final flight into those knives. (Systems pre-flight cheklist) Just after take off he noticed he no longer had the hand held Motorola two way radio. It was not on the preflight check list, so it was left behind. After the crash, burn and all that water and chemical to put those flames out, that radio was recovered from the cockpit charred and wet, but it still worked perfectly.
I remember that they gave that radio to my dad on his retirment day and I bet it still works today.

Bob

[Cracky]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sensei
	the cutters wound up cutting into the one of the engines causing an explosion.

Whoops!!!

[phippsj]

	Quote: Originally Posted by redneckteddy103
	http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...approvals/uas/

If you haven't figured it out yet, we are ignoring you.


MORE PICS OF THE PLANE!!!!

MAYBE A VIDEO?!!!