DA 25-30CC FOR 120 SIZE PLANES

[khan]

Also consider ZDZ 40 cc or RCS 140 depending on what you want to do.

[ULTIMATE1]

Or a Evolution or MVVS 35cc

[ben_beyer]

I would look into a Brillelli or BCMA. I hear great things about the Brillelli's and I would like to find something to put one of their little engines in someday.

[mflander]

You guys are simply buying things the wrong way. Instead of waiting for DA to make an engine, buy one they already make. Then buy a plane to bolt it too. .

Also, about this price thing. It's a moot point, because if materials cost and what not is the same from 25cc to 50cc, then why is the DA 85cc I just bought $200 more than DA 50? I'll bet quantity has a lot to do with it. They won't sell as many 85cc engines as 50cc's, so they have to be more expensive to make up for R&D costs, the same would be true going to 25-30cc, the ability to bolt that engine to a much wider variety of airplanes and prices would surely make that a high quantity engine, thus allowing them to drop the price in comparison to the 50, which would increase sales, etc. This is how every product you have ever purchased is priced, why would DA do any different?

DA's prices on there current engines are a great example of the american economic system, and I personally have used them in school reports(sales and marketing) because of there brilliance. Anyone who has ever made contact with any of the great guys at Desert Aircraft knows that the support they give is second to none, but you also know that they are very busy. So they have to price there engines so that the supply for the engine can keep up effectively with the demand and there quality and service can remain the same. If they were to drop their price to match a BCMA, there sales would surely double, if not triple, and the quality of service would drop just as quickly. See the trend here? Desert Aircraft's marketing and sales strategy is sound, which is why the company is as successful as it is. I envy them, and could only hope to effectively run or manage a business as well as they do. Proof of this is the amount of sales they do on the DA 85, and the fricken thing isn't even on there website yet, amazing!

Okay now I'm rambling... sorry
My .02 cents.

[Youngy]

It would be good if DA did a 25 - 30cc engine

[rede2fly]

you know what i think? i think da would never do this because of how many more idiots they would have on there hands. look at how many motors they have to fix for free now, because of the "rc'ers" that dont have a clue as to how to tune a motor, and burn them up. so da being the company that they are, take care of these people, (or motors) rather than having to listen to the complaints from the people that in effect dont have a clue as to what they are doing. its just easier to put a high price on them and figure in the costs of having to do this in the sales end of it. instead of having to price it on the other end of it, and listen to all the complaints. and in doing this, they get more people to buy them. hey they will sell more when the customers are saying ,,, hey they fixed it for free, what a great company. but the price is allready figured in. but doing a small motor?? thats a whole new ball game, and all new idiots that could come up with the smaller price. so they couldnt lower the price on the smaller motors to recoupe all the money they would loose on fixing these smaller motors than they would sell. make sense?? this is done in alot of marketing namely auto companys. you dont think they warranty these cars for free do ya?? its built into the price of the car and i think da does the very same thing. its just smart marketing. so i wouldnt look for any motors smaller than the 50cc that they sell now. but hey wish away this is just my opion, and means nothing......................

[jaguar bone]

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[3D Romeo]

WOW...It seems like whenever a small gas engine is mentioned in a thread, it always wakens those with the narrowest of minds!

I get the biggest of laughs when people say "you can never compare a gas engine to a glow engine, of equal size", or "you can't 3D anything smaller than 50cc with a gas engine" LOL LOL LOL.

For one thing...Whoever said they were trying to compare a gas engine to a glow engine? For many that are fed up with glow fuel, either because of the cost, the mess, the finickyness, etc...glow ISN'T EVEN AN OPTION!!!

Secondly...Whoever said that you had to have the "best power to weight ratio" to 3D an airplane? If this were the case there would only be ONE engine made for each displacement. Because anything less wouldn't be "the best". There are several airplanes available that are fully capable of flying 3D maneuvers with small gas engines, and some that do it very well. One that comes to mind is the OMP 80" Profile Edge. The engine of choice on this airplane is an OS 160 with tuned pipe, but everyone I know that has used this setup has also had to add weight up front to balance it, and without a pump the fuel tank has to be mounted up front. With a small gas engine (a DA 30cc would be perfect) there wouldn't be any need to add weight up front, and the fuel tank could be mounted back at the CG. And anybody that says this plane doesn't 3D well with a gas engine has never flown one! True, it may be a little lighter using a glow engine, and may even fly a little better as a result of this, but whoever said that EVERYBODY has to fly the "lightest, best power to weight ratio" aircraft out there? There are many folk that are just as happy to fly the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best (either because of cost, availability, preference, etc.). There are also many videos online of people doing amazing performances with their MVVS gas powered aircraft...that would put many of you DA 150cc hucksters to shame!

"There are already several other manufacturers that make decent small gas engines"...LOL LOL LOL

There are already allot of companies that make small cars, too. Does that mean there is no room for anybody to design a new one, or a better one?

"DA won't come out with a smaller engine because they will sell too many of them?" LOL LOL LOL

What world does anybody that thinks like this come from? What prospective business owner sits down before starting a business, and thinks "I hope if I manufacture my product that I don't sell to many of them"? The only companies that get into trouble this way are those that try to undercut the market with inferior products. As long as you are selling a quality product at a profit, and keeping up with customer demand, and support, there isn't any businessman that wouldn't want a piece of that product.

And lastly...
Smart = Big
Idiot = Small
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I won't even comment on this, because you'd have to be a real "Idiot" to even come up with a statement like that.

Cheers!

[ULTIMATE1]

Well here is a video of a evolution 26cc with ESComposites tuned pipe swinging a 18x6 carbon prop at 9000RPM



http://www.flyinggiants.com/gallery/...=19926&cat=504

[rede2fly]

	Quote: Originally Posted by jaguar bone
	Not going after you or anything here really rede2fly-but gee, read yourself. Hey, lets see, posting at 11:40 PM, maybe it was a long evening of elbow exercises? (Funny cause I've done it too! )

hey if i didnt post like this then, (you) guys wouldnt have anything to place the very long winded reasons why some one much like myself would seem to be lacking in the ole brain department. if i dont keep (you) guys on your feet then who will??. i mean you have to practice the picking each and every sentance apart with a better reason behind it right?? i like too keep you guys on your toes, if nothing else than to see just how good you guys can make your ideas seem better than some one elses

[scot]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rede2fly
	hey if i didnt post like this...

Then new people might not be intimidated by our hobby!

I know many very smart folks who I'm sure couldn't tune a DA. I'm barely of average intelligence (just ask my wife!) and I do manage it. FG isn't the place to call people idiots ("geeks who play with toy airplanes" maybe, but not idiots!).

[rede2fly]

	Quote: Originally Posted by scot
	Then new people might not be intimidated by our hobby! I know many very smart folks who I'm sure couldn't tune a DA. I'm barely of average intelligence (just ask my wife!) and I do manage it. FG isn't the place to call people idiots ("geeks who play with toy airplanes" maybe, but not idiots!).

dude give it a brake. its a form of speach. everybody is a idiot or stupid and all stuff is crap or junk OK. nothing personal. dont wear your feelings on your shirtsleeve not around here you think iam bad, just read some of the other guys posts. they will make you cry. they wont let up either. they will hound you from thread to thread.

[scot]

I guess you must be right; everyone posting to this thread seems to agree with what you've said so far...

[jaguar bone]

	Quote: Originally Posted by rede2fly
	dude give it a brake. its a form of speach. everybody is a idiot or stupid and all stuff is crap or junk OK. nothing personal. dont wear your feelings on your shirtsleeve not around here you think iam bad, just read some of the other guys posts. they will make you cry. they wont let up either. they will hound you from thread to thread.

Hey redy2fly, after re-reading my run-on dribble, one IS left thinking at 8:15AM I must have had a bit toooo much caffeine!!
I appreciate your resiliency the most!!
Keepn Peace Bro.

[cyoung450]

I agree with Rede2fly.