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Old 05-31-2006, 10:49 AM   #76
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Default Re: Thinking about getting into Heli's or have questions, Let me know!

What Ryan said.

If you do cut out wire and solder the connections, stagger the joints by the length of the shrink tube that you are going to cover the joint with. This will keep you from having a very fat spot in the wire to deal with.

Before I got a crimp tool I cut and spliced many wire leads on both helies and planks, and never had a joint failure.
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:41 PM   #77
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Thanks guys. I have a dumb question.
Do you guys use mixes on your radios like the planks to make them fly better? I am asking because it seems like allot of heli guys use 14mz's and jr10x's.
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Old 06-02-2006, 10:41 PM   #78
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Yes, you absolutely have to use some mixes. And we are not talking about the optional ones to correct bad tendencies in a knife edge.
The main mix is your pitch to throttle. Mainly your left stick controls the throttle, and your pitch is slaved off it. Its not as rocket scientifical as it may sound, the radio manufacturers make it really easy for you. They give you about five points trhu the range of the stick at which you can adjust your pitch to. The idea is that you want constant headspeed at all times, anywhere between 1600 to 2200+ rpm.
Than to make things cooler you can set up usually three different mixes, usually called your Idle Up modes. Your throttle is also adjustable with these 5 or so points off the left stick.
For just learning you would set it up so when your left stick is down your engine idles, and you have about -2 degrees of pitch. At the middle of the stick is where you want your hovering to happen. Usually this is going to be 6 degrees of pitch, and throttle anywhere from 35 to 70 percent. Top of the stick is full throttle and max pitch that will not bog the heli down, around 10 degrees usually.
On the other end of that is the all out aerobatic assault mode, where stick down is -10 degrees of pitch with full throttle and top is 10 degrees of pitch with full throttle. Its really fun when you start the heli up in this mode. There is also an imbetween mode.
Anyways, there could be volumes written about pitch curves, but they really are not bad.
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Old 06-02-2006, 11:52 PM   #79
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Aside from throttle and collective mixing, I've been using cyclic to throttle mixing to keep the head speed consistant during stick banging sessions. I also use dual rates to slow the tail down to make piro flips easier.
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Old 06-05-2006, 01:11 PM   #80
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Some of the micro helies that do not have a HH gyro will need to use the REVO mixing.
REVO is a mix with throttle as master and rudder as slave.

In addition to the cyclic to throttle mix mentioned above you can also do a rudder to throttle for the same reason.

The 14MZ also has built in mixes to adjust for swash-plate timing errors.

If you have a heli with eCCPM mixing then there is a mix of pitch, elevator and aileron all mixed up together. This is a built in mix on most modern radios.
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Old 06-14-2006, 11:38 PM   #81
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Because I don't have a hh gyro I was messing around with revo. So when I pitch up I assume I need more right rudder. what about negative pitch?
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Old 06-14-2006, 11:51 PM   #82
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If you are talking about inverted, it is the same. Torque acts in same direction. When you unload the main rotor however, you will need to compensate for that.
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Old 06-17-2006, 12:38 PM   #83
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Thanks for answering all my questions. I have another one though. It seems that I really like helis and am wondering what to do for the next one. I have a blade cp and I am finding the lack of a heading hold gyro and a few other things are making it harder and harder to learn more advanced maneuvers on. I am sure a good heli pilot could light it up with mine but I am just not good enough.

So, if you guys where in my shoes and just starting out with helis what would you buy as a second heli? I am looking at the trex but I have a feeling nitro is a better way to go.

I would rather learn from you guys than waste my money.
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Old 06-17-2006, 11:09 PM   #84
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Go for a raptor 50 if you can afford it. Best investment I've made yet.
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Old 06-18-2006, 12:36 PM   #85
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A very good value is the stinger 50. My personal choice is the Evo 50 for that sized heli due to not needing to upgrade it once you get into heavier 3d.
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Old 07-17-2006, 03:44 AM   #86
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i have just bought a raptor 50 titan,put 4 tanks of fuel through it learning to hover.
the gyro a gy401 gets a mist of oil over it .should it be covered up, and if so what with.
i am enjoying the heli it is rock solid,so easy to hold in one spot.

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Old 07-17-2006, 10:31 AM   #87
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I just wipe the oil off of the 401 after each flight.
I have never seen a 401 damaged by oil.
Once you get comfortable flying higher and get into forward flight, there is a lot less oil that will get on the gyro.

The biggest mess is when you are within one rotor diameter of the ground learning to hover.
The next big mess does not come till you start doing a lot of inverted and backwards flight.
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you guys are hilarious
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that would be to JeeUm and Nitro
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Old 07-17-2006, 10:28 PM   #90
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What's turning out to be a huge shift in e-heli's is the new T-Rex 600. It's a 50 sized heli (runs 600mm blades) that cost the same to outfit as a raptor with an OS 50 hyper. The lepton is interesting but very pricey in comparison.

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