New 2.4GHZ RECEIVER NO NEED FOR POWER BOXES

[exeter_acres]

careful.... you'll get skinned alive for such statements

[Pale Rider]

We need to all take two steps away from Teamflatout so whe dont get hit by the lightning bolts that will surely be descending upon him.

[exeter_acres]

LOL... backing away........

[Windecker]

That's just crazy talk. Spending all that time "adjusting" arms and horns to make servos not bind. Next you will be telling us that that stick on the left side can be used somewhere less than full forward to "quiet" our planes down...
Will B.

	Quote: Originally Posted by TeamFlatout
	Um, you dont need a Powerbox and you dont need matchboxes!!!!!!! It doesnt matter if you have multiple 8711's in a wing or HS-55's. You can match them up with one reciever or two. I've never used a matchbox or powerbox and everything runs perfect. No extra power draw, no slop or anything and fly 7-8 times a day. Probably more but was to tired to go anymore. You match them up mechanically saving hundreds of dollars!!!!!

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by TeamFlatout
	Um, you dont need a Powerbox and you dont need matchboxes!!!!!!! It doesnt matter if you have multiple 8711's in a wing or HS-55's. You can match them up with one reciever or two. I've never used a matchbox or powerbox and everything runs perfect. No extra power draw, no slop or anything and fly 7-8 times a day. Probably more but was to tired to go anymore. You match them up mechanically saving hundreds of dollars!!!!!

I, along with several others will strongly disagree here. No lightning bolts, but some examples:
On a 35%er, or a 150cc bird where only two servos are used per aileron, you might be able to get away without matching/programming servos if you are very careful, as there is a little allowable flex in the ailerons if the geometry isn't 1000% perfect. But you'd have to have either a dozen or more servos and arms, or would have to mount the servos cok-eyed to align the centerline of the servo arms. In my many years, I have never found two random servos that centered the same and traveled the same throughout the entire range. Like I said, it can be done, and I have done it and still do it, but it takes luck and a lot of forethought.
On elevators and rudder, it is not so easy. Even if you get the servo placement and arm alignment equal down to the last nanometer, you still have to deal with geometry. Getting the geometry correct down to the last .0001 degree takes WAY too much time to justify. But for arguements sake, let's say it is 100% perfect - you still have the dissimilarities in the servo to deal with...I am a working man, and can't afford to go through 100 or more 8711's to find two that match perfectly.
And you have the whole latency thing to deal with when using the radio to match two servos connected to the same surface - even this new 2.4 stuff has latency; I've experienced it.
Now, add a 3rd or 4th servo to one surface and you're in for a month of work to get it all figured out without a matchbox or equalizer. My opinion...

[Zeeb]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Pale Rider
	Dont worry, Im not getting it from Horizon

Will wonders never cease?????

Horizon called this afternoon and my AR9100 is on it's way...

That's even before I found them in the hobby shops. Mine was backordered in early November for any of you who might be curious.

[Pale Rider]

Mine is on its way too!

[superdh]

should have them in my shop wednesday

[MattyMatt]

Ordered mine yesterday! Should be here by next week.

[cjcyclesrc]

I just got a call from my LHS. Mine should arrive tomorrow.

[aerohead]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	Yeah, but you still need matchboxes, and what's the point, then, if you're plugging three 8711's into the matchbox with only one little servo lead plugging into the powersafe unit? Sure, you won't have to worry about the receiver cutting out anymore, but do you really want to try to push a possible 12 amps through one servo connecter? And do you still want to spend an additional $100 on matchboxes? If I wasn't getting away from Hitec servos or didn't need matchboxes, I could make this work, but something like a Smart-fly Power expander EQ10 still sounds like a better option if you want full power to all servos AS WELL AS the receiver, and servo matching all-in-one. I had one on backorder 3 months ago. I saw it in use in one of McConnville's planes and it worked fine on a 43%er, but I still prefer to not run matchboxes and want the piece of mind of having full power to all my servos, so I cancelled my backorder...I bet a year from now they'll wise up and come up with an even better solution (power distribution, power back-up[like the D-cup], servo matching, and receiver all in one).

The Spektrum stuff has servo synch-not supposed to need matchboxes

[MattyMatt]

Servo synch is not matching the servos... it matches the channels so there is no latency issue.

[Fly3DWithStyle]

What happens if you use a Smart-Fly Power Expander. I know there's no need for a power box type setup, but if you use, let's say, an EQ-10 because of the need for independant servo programming the Power Expander gives, what happens to the receiver voltage? The specs show the receiver works between 6V and 10V.

The EQ-10 etc. supplies a consistant, filtered 5V to the receiver. Does this mean that this receiver won't work with this type of setup?

[Hammbone]

I find it funny that a lot of you guys that are dead set against using a Power Expander, are all excited about these new rx's, which are basically set up to work like Power Expanders (a poorly designed one). You are basically agreeing that Power Expanders do improve performance, otherwise you wouldn't be interested in these new rx's.

The problem is, these new rx's have solved the problem of current flow into the rx, but still have a problem with current flow out of the rx due to only having one standard connector output on each channel. If you want to use 3 or 4 servos on a surface, and need to plug 3 or 4 servos into one standard plug output, you are severely limiting your current flow.

It's kind of like pouring water through a 2" PVC pipe, but you have a reductuion down to 1/2" diameter in the pipe toward the end of it. The water will start pouring into the pipe fine, but will slow down severely when it gets to the 1/2" reduction area (this is like using the new rx's with one standard output plug per channel). The water would flow much faster if the pipe were 2" the whole way (this is like using a Power Expander and not having any limitations on current flow).

Jim

[Hammbone]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Fly3DWithStyle
	What happens if you use a Smart-Fly Power Expander. I know there's no need for a power box type setup, but if you use, let's say, an EQ-10 because of the need for independant servo programming the Power Expander gives, what happens to the receiver voltage? The specs show the receiver works between 6V and 10V. The EQ-10 etc. supplies a consistant, filtered 5V to the receiver. Does this mean that this receiver won't work with this type of setup?

If you want to use a Power Expander, I think you are better off using the "old" type of rx with the Power Expandrer.

Jim