Kiwi's XPS test results are up.

[ss40]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Simpleton
	There's a certain irony in these posts.

Yes I thought it was humorous myself. I'm glad you didn't miss the irony. Cute set of volleys!



Now as far as being paid. I don't know where that comment comes from.

[easytiger]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Simpleton
	You'd better hope that spirit doesn't spill over into the permanent ban category We'd be deprived of your priceless contibutions to the "XPS Sucks!" threads.

My posts are NOT priceless...Fatuba Radio pays me $10 per post to keep putting ol' Jim Drew down, they will do anything to stop the XPS takeover of the RC market.

Ban me, I do not care. As far as I can see, this is now just another branch of RCgroups, and while I really love the moolah the other radio companies pay me to beat up on XPS, I'd just as soon not generate such fine content and traffic for Jim Jourke, who now owns this site.
This site will get theirs, too, count on that. I've seen the way Jim treats his users and his moderators, all you are are numbers and dollars to him. "Flying Giants Spirit?" Please. The place is sold, that went out the window when they took the check from RCgroups. Is that kind of like the "Spirit of Walmart?"

Want real, uncensored, commercial-free RC content? Try www.rcfreedom.com

[easytiger]

	Quote: Originally Posted by alfred
	Unfortunate we still have some people use it in high powered helicopters and had already 2 incidences reported of total loss of control. As reported, these happened just meters away from the TX while hovering. On top of the known issues, XPS also appear to have a firmware bug issue.

Few people. And not for long. I would not worry so much.

[XJet]

Well it appears that RCG is well and truly in bed with XPS, to the point that I got a warning and had a post deleted in the general RC forum because a new JD fanboy posted a rather offensive personal attack against me (" We should just call this the x jet forumn,you are like diareha in here,like a big mess.")

Why did he say that?

Well he uploaded a video of his plane flying with an XPS system onboard.

1. I commented on the uploaded video saying that it proves XPS is a fine second tier 2.4GHz system. I also said that it [the video] was well done. Someone (possible Klique) reported that post as "a personal attack" - how on earth did they jump to that conclusion?

2. When JD claimed that the video was filmed at a busy field during SEFF I simply quoted from what the poster said in the video that everyone had already gone when the video was taken.

Then Klique posted the comment highlighted in red above.

Strangely enough, the abusive fan-boy poster (Klique) didn't get sanctioned -- but *I* did.

My reply was not abusive, not derogatory and not offensive in any way -- but I was caned for "trolling".

If harsh words were allowed here, I'd tell you what I think of that - but my opinion of RCG has dropped dramatically and I see now that (as others have suggested) it really is a case of whoever buys the advertising makes the rules.

Tragic really -- I hope that doesn't spill over in to FG.

And will the admins at RCG feel proud when some kid gets killed or maimed by an out of control jet or giant scale that uses XPS because they were successful in driving the truth about JD's lies and the deficiencies of an advertiser's system underground?

Unbelievable.

And I thought the admins at RCU were idiots!

[jonkoppisch]

Never underestimate the reach of a snake oil salesman....

[easytiger]

I tried to tell you that about RCgroups. All you are is a number to them, to sell advertising.
As long as Jim keeps paying RCgroups, that will be that. Yes, indeed, they are enjoying Jim's money, Jim Jourke bought himself a full-scale Yak with it.

Welcome to the real world. It's painful to read so often about how the magazines are all on the take, and how you can get the REAL scoop on the internet...the forums are worse, they sell out for much less.

[sweetpea]

This thread has run its course........lets close it.

Its not even talking about the original topic anymore.

[easytiger]

	Quote: Originally Posted by sweetpea
	This thread has run its course........lets close it. Its not even talking about the original topic anymore.

That seems to be a common response from the XPS supporters whenever things do no turn out their way.
You were an early XPS pundit. I seem to remember you fell for that deal where he said that the little stub antenna on the TX was going to be just fine. He swore up and down, in spite of many other people who knew better saying otherwise, and it cost you an airplane. And a week later, he ditched the stub antenna and went with the same antenna style everybody else is using, the one all the "XPS bashers" said he needed in the first place?
You lost an airplane due to faulty XPS design, and you still are beleiving in the hype? I mean, in spite of making a rather massive design change, he claims it was not the antenna at all, but some mysterious "noise floor" that exists only in Las Vegas? While everybody else is flying just fine on the other 2.4 systems?

Say, whatever happened to Sepulveda Basin? Remember how Jim Drew went out there to "examine the noise floor" after his sponsored pilot put in a jet, and the club disallowed XPS radios from a jet event? Jim went out there, and suddenly, it got really quiet...
He threatened to sue the club and everything, what happened?

[Simpleton]

You may have forgotten, but you've already covered this territory 364 posts ago.

And I suppose we can look forward to it coming around again 364 posts from now. A month and a half and no new ground to cover.

[Toumal]

Face the facts: No matter what proof or first-hand testimony you bring up, can be dismissed with a wave of a hand. There will always be people who don't believe despite the facts. At the end of the day, people like us are just nameless blobs voicing our opinions without the boon of being the manufacturer.

That's why we should try to convince people at our Clubs, directly. The guys at my club know what I'm doing for a living and that I build ATC systems IRL. That's a much better starting point than on the net, where people would doubt even that.

And frankly, I'm done trying to argue about basic RF principles with people who haven't enjoyed proper education in that field.

That includes Jim "spherical radiation" Drew.

[Woketman]

Good points, ET. Yea, Sweetpea, what about that? Are you STILL gonna defend the second tier system? Anyone know the full Sepulveda story???

	Quote: Originally Posted by easytiger
	That seems to be a common response from the XPS supporters whenever things do no turn out their way. You were an early XPS pundit. I seem to remember you fell for that deal where he said that the little stub antenna on the TX was going to be just fine. He swore up and down, in spite of many other people who knew better saying otherwise, and it cost you an airplane. And a week later, he ditched the stub antenna and went with the same antenna style everybody else is using, the one all the "XPS bashers" said he needed in the first place? You lost an airplane due to faulty XPS design, and you still are beleiving in the hype? I mean, in spite of making a rather massive design change, he claims it was not the antenna at all, but some mysterious "noise floor" that exists only in Las Vegas? While everybody else is flying just fine on the other 2.4 systems? Say, whatever happened to Sepulveda Basin? Remember how Jim Drew went out there to "examine the noise floor" after his sponsored pilot put in a jet, and the club disallowed XPS radios from a jet event? Jim went out there, and suddenly, it got really quiet... He threatened to sue the club and everything, what happened?

[easytiger]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Simpleton
	You may have forgotten, but you've already covered this territory 364 posts ago. And I suppose we can look forward to it coming around again 364 posts from now. A month and a half and no new ground to cover.

So true, though. Nothing really new under the XPS Sperical sun.

Surprises me, though, to see someone who already got burned by XPS, to the tune of one airplane, still defending XPS. Did I ever tell you the story about my friend Weber and the fake speakers he bought? He still won't admit they are fakes. Some people will just never admit that they were had.

[easytiger]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Woketman
	Good points, ET. Yea, Sweetpea, what about that? Are you STILL gonna defend the second tier system? Anyone know the full Sepulveda story???

I talked to Jason Pakfar, the club president, a bit...
As far as I know, Jim Drew went out there, found NOTHING at all, and let the whole thing fade away. There is no mysterious force at Sepulveda...people are flying many, many Faast and Spektrum systems with no problem...only problem is with XPS.

[sweetpea]

Easytiger.....please read carefully

1) Yes I was a supporter of XPS and Spektrum in the beginning and I didn't buy into all the hype. I was quite skeptical of 2.4 from the getgo. I was careful with my install and did crazy range checks before I ever flew. I kept the plane close, high and at low speeds. I only lost my plane on landing and it has still not been determined it was XPS or something else. We all suspect XPS but it cannot be proven. After that I decided on my own that I wanted more redundancy in the link for my Giant Scale planes if I flew on 2.4 again. At this time Spektrum had not come out with anything other than the DX-7 and I didn't want to go down in channels so I stayed on 72mhz. Not because I was worried the sky was falling or XPS was unsafe.....it was because I understand RF (more than you guys may think I do, I just don't have to spout out my knowledge of it in every thread) and I can't afford to replace planes I lose all the time. I got lucky with the crash on landing.....I only lost the airframe, my electronics/motor were ok. Like so many folks that swear by 2 RX's on 72mhz (which I don't for radio range decreases) I prefer a longer antenna for 2.4 which you can't have so the solution is multiple antennas and I felt Spektrum had this pinned down. I've made it no secret that I run Spektrum module in my 10X and have been since a few months after it came out. I also use the data logger to check my signal at my field and when I fly somewhere else. These are all things that XPS was supposed to have and has not come out yet.

The term FB is very derogatory to people that use a particular system. Am I a JR FB because that is all I use in servo's/radios? I've got no financial interest in any R/C company. I use what I want because I want to, not because you or someone else says I should or shouldn't. I'm quite capable of making up my own mind.


2) Las Vegas 2.4 noise floor. Have you ever been here? My field and the Bennett field are butt up right on neighborhoods and business's. XPS (not just JD) came out and ran a spectrum analyzer of the freq. It was crazy loud with 2.4. And the fact is that multiple FASST/Spektrum/XPS and 72mhz have problems from time to time at both fields. It really depends on the day and the 2.4 useage. We also have the AF Base very close to both fields and enough Nexrad radars and TV/Radio stations on the mountains which enclose the valley. I'm actually surprised we can fly at all in this town.

3) Sep Basin----last posts I saw was about a guy with a 2.4 jammer (same thing you can buy off Ebay for $10) was caught in the area. Not sure they 100% put the crashes on him or not. There were also some reports after the event of Spektrum going in.

4) You also show your lack of any RF. Changing the antenna to what Xjet suggested in the beginning (and what I also thought but kept to myself) as better choice is not a massive design change. It is a change but a very simple fix. Should XPS have been outfitted with "worst case" scenario antenna from the start? Sure, but that is hindsight. Just like battery voltage on Spektrum and Zguid on FASST etc etc.

5) As for beleiving in the hype? I have not believed in the hype from day one. Just because I chose to use the system doesn't mean I believe everything point blank. Sorry to inform you but I'm not that trusting of any company or advertising. If that was the case than all the Futaba users are in the same boat with the "We get it right the first time" and "bullet proof connection" etc. Its called advertising and marketing......create hype for your product so people buy it. Every company does it.



So in conclusion..........

I've made it known that I could care less that XPS hops or not. I want the multiple antenna paths to counter the shadowing from my GS planes equipment. I'm more worried about that than changing signals. Of course if the system did hop that would be a plus but it has yet to be shown to hop in a useable manner. I'm actually quite sure it does, but I believe that its hop logic is of no use to what the R/C community wants or thinks they need. Remember 72mhz doesn't hop and we've been using that for years and its easy to jam or cause "out of control" aircraft.

Finally my point of closing the thread........this thread was about hopping. Kiwi showed it didn't. JD posted his video of the same test and it showed it didn't. We all still wait for the actual video. If you go through the #683 posts invoved in this thread you could whittle it down to say 100 that actually have to do with that topic. And if you look at the last page............it has turned into FG is now RCG and that sucks. Xjet got warned for what he said.....now what he said was not bad at all (I agree with him there) but I think if you put Xjets previous comments in this thread alone and his attitude toward users of the system you can say that his comment could and was construed as a very sarcastic statement that was meant to degrade the person. Whether or not that was his intent....it happened. (Try to remember the moderators of FG have not changed.....its still the same folks) Also there have been multiple attacks on people just because they choose to use something others don't? That is not what Flying Giants was started as. I've been here since the beginning (actually before the beginning of FG). I have built and ran numerous websites so I know the time it takes. Max got a full time job and this site was getting so big that he couldn't do both.....

So he could have let it go and run itself ----that won't work as websites always need work behind the scenes
So he could have just shut it down and worked on his life----this already happened once and it sucked big time!
So he sold the site to a company that could handle it-----were we disappointed....sure. Has the site turned into RCG? That is for the future and us the users to determine. If we police ourselves than it will always be FG style!

This thread has gone so far off topic and turned into a straight bash of not only JD (who may or may not deserve it) but to plain folk that chose to use the system regardless of what people say. For that reason alone the thread should be closed. I really don't care if Xjet/easytiger/Kiwi/Jon or anyone else doesn't want to use it and explains why it shouldn't be used. And now this thread that is supposed to be about XPS's lack of hopping turns into FG is now RCG and is no good.

But when your opinion is so strong that you can't be nice to others who chose to use it (and most of the time you don't even ask why they use it or what its being used in) then you should cease posting and if you can't the thread should be closed.



I had to add this one last bit since as I was typing you guys continued to call me names.

Any good debate should have both sides. Yes I used XPS at one time.......I also used Hitec servos at one time. I still have some of both. Neither do I use in my expensive planes anymore. It doesn't mean I have to come online and YELL to the world that you are stupid or "had" or any other derogatory comment you can come up with because you use those things.

[Gordito Volador]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Toumal
	And frankly, I'm done trying to argue about basic RF principles with people who haven't enjoyed proper education in that field.

I learned that a long time ago. I won't even go there no matter how great the temptation, I just smile and say to myself how galactically uninformed these guys are.