Aeroworks Yak QB Series problem.

[falconpilot]

bodywerks,

If you don't know all the fact or can't state all the fact, you should just watch, and not type.........As was stated, by me, in these forums at that time, I didn't want everything replaced for free....It was a wing failure due to poor design(admitted by AW)...All I wanted was a little show of good faith on AW's part...That little bit of customer service, and I would still be flying their airplanes...

[mavacpjm71]

	Quote: Originally Posted by 3DHobbyShop
	I think there are a couple of lessons to learn here: 1.The guys who post on FG are, as a group, pretty savvy and very observant. Not much gets past them. 2.If you have a problem with an RC product which the vast majority of users find to be high-quality, it's not wise to come in flaming with both barrels. Far better to take a humble position, ask for help, and learn from the experience. If the product was at fault, someone else (who isn't looking for a refund as is therefore impartial) will point it out, and it will carry a lot more weight in that case.

Well said - well said...that sums up my feelings very respectfully....

[sukhoi26mx]

	Quote: Originally Posted by bodywerks
	I know of now R/C company that will claim responsibility above and beyond the value of the product they sold, except maybe shipping (which Aeroworks did).

Agreed.

Not familiar with the situation at all (thanks for getting me up to speed.) I am fully aware of the limited liability aspect of the hobby, but I also feel for those who lose not only the original airframe but also significant equipment due to a no-fault failure. Tough call. Would I be pissed if I lost several thousand dollars of equipment due to a failure that was due to inadequate R&D or manufacturing faults? You bet I would. I would also have to be 100% sure that I was not at fault before I even approached the manufacturer (or God forbid posted on an online forum about the event.) As always, the manufacturer/distributor has clearly stated policies on warranty and liability, so putting the airplane into the air always has certain undeniable risks, both financially and from a liability P.O.V. Clearly, I don't see this failure (50cc Yak on current thread) in even remotely the same light as falconpilots. Glad to hear that he's (falconpilot) over it, though. Knock on wood that it wasn't mine that failed (or yours, or his, or...)

Scott

[madmax]

Ditto.

[sukhoi26mx]

Nicely put, Ben.

Scott

[falconpilot]

Guys,

Take my word for it..This post is going nowhere very fast....We all have different opinions/experiences on these matters...I feel for the guys lose if it where a true wing failure, as mine was...If it is due to his chooses of equipment, he has no room to bi@#%....

I wish the best, and a good outcome for them both....

Bodywerks,

I lost an engine($650 in repairs not including mufflers), servos, and hundred of dollars in equipment besdies that airplane...You are right..Aeroworks did send me a new airplane, free shipping...Which would and should be expected in my circumstance/case...I should have mentioned that I my first post in all fairness to Aeroworks...Those are the facts.....

[LUCKY]

I have been reading this post and I just want to say, I'm very sorry for his lose. But it happened its in the past, time to move forward. Life is way to short to bicker on little things, sometimes things happen that we can't explain and sometimes the answers we get is not want we want to hear. I have herd it from other pilots and I have said my self they all have expiration date we just dont know when its going to happen. It always sucks to see someones time and money go down, but you cant take it with ya when you go.

I hope you can get up in the air again soon, again very sorry for your lose.

[Rolling Thunder]

I agree with the theory that the wing bolt backed out. The bolt is not in the wing and the hole in the fuse is not damage. That looks obvious.
On the wing tube. Anyone notice that the last rib for the tube socket is in perfect condition. This would not be the case if the correct wing tube was on the plane. All of the ribs that support the socket would have been destroyed. (unless the wing was sliding off the plane because the screw backed out also)
With good mechanical advantage his servo setup will work fine, but it is not ideal.

[bubbagates]

In regards to my earlier post, I actually pulled the manuals (cd's) out. When I had one of the first runs of the 50cc Yak it did only have one bolt per wing so my apologies, I mispoke on that one and yep, it was a 4mm. I remember going to buy new ones as I was not comfortable with the supplied ones. That plane went 6 flights in two days then went in.

I got the second one, from the second run and now I had 2 bolts per wing at 8-32 not the original 6-32 I stated so again my apologies. It's apparent AW does listen to us as all the things that were happening to the first run planes was corrected on the second run and I suspect that the other ARF's they sell go through the same process.

I gotta admit, after I made an engine change from a 3W55 to a DA50 on a KS1060 pipe the plane took on a whole new life. Yep, I was close to 19lbs but she sure never flew like she weighed that much and spinning a 23X8 Mezjlik wouold go uphill like gravity was a passing fancy. It flew that well without any thrust changes I had actually spent all week practicing to use it in Basic until I got stupid on a crosswind landing. All of my other planes have always needed thrust changes amongst other things to fly precision well where the 50CC Yak did not, just radio mixes.

Now I said I would probably not buy another one and that was simply because of how the first crash was handled. Yes I got the second one at a greatly reduced price with free shipping but felt that there was a defect which was proven by the fact that the recommended fixes for the first run were to solve the exact issue I had which was the covering lifting at the seam on the leading edge of the wings.

the last time I checked in on this thread was early last evening, I just popped in and found this thing grew 30 plus posts and reading all of this has made me realize that maybe I am just a bit over the top on not wanting another AW plane for the reason I state. Heck I've been eyeing up the 35% 260 for some time now as a "toss in the air and beat the snot out of it" plane and use my 3M C-Arf 260 for IMAC. Maybe I'll reconsider as I have a DA100 needing a home

In fact. come to think of it, the plane off i nthe distance in my avatar is the second 50cc Yak DOH....

[sonito]

Yes this is over the top I didnt mean to insult anyone and I apolagize if I did it takes a good man to accept his faults as my dad has always told me and I am wrong. Thanks to all the plus and negative responses lets put this to rest AW did respond and were polite I dont know a Rocco I was handled by Chuck I think there is a moderator that mis interpreted my quote I didnt call anyone any derogatory names and if I implied it again I apolagize...
Folks only the people that were there and saw what happened will know that the wing did not flutter, the servos were as adequate as can possibly be for what I use the plane for and I wont even go about the wing bolt backing out.... Folks I have not asked for a replacement airframe or the equipment that was damaged this was only a weekend beater plane for me since I fly 40%er and again if I have offended anyone I apolagize its just as in my later posts I have vented it was not meant to carry on this far with theories of a new coming ect ect... as I always say in this sport "I thank my lucky stars my ass was not in it" lets go and have fun as I have had in this spoort for over 40 years and will continue for 40 more if Gods will.

Thank you all and may we all have calm winds and happy landings

Forrest Waller
Riverview Florida

[Absolut Yak]

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[Mithrandir]

I know one thing for sure...
If I ever stack one in for unexplained reasons.. I am gonna post pix here and let all you Arm Chair NTSB Analyze the evidence!!! lol

Don't any of you guys have a job!?!?!? lol

[Altavillan]

Lets see a pic of that rudder. Maybe you'll learn how to snivle your way to a new plane outa them.

[Mithrandir]

	Quote: Originally Posted by Altavillan
	Lets see a pic of that rudder. Maybe you'll learn how to snivle your way to a new plane outa them.

I never thought of that....er...rather.... I mean

I WANT A NEW GP38!!! I was flying along real slow like... minding my own business.. and BAM!!!!! The top of the rudder is dragging the ground... came outa no where!!!!

lol

[bodywerks]

	Quote: Originally Posted by LUCKY
	I have been reading this post and I just want to say, I'm very sorry for his lose. But it happened its in the past, time to move forward. Life is way to short to bicker on little things, sometimes things happen that we can't explain and sometimes the answers we get is not want we want to hear. I have herd it from other pilots and I have said my self they all have expiration date we just dont know when its going to happen. It always sucks to see someones time and money go down, but you cant take it with ya when you go. I hope you can get up in the air again soon, again very sorry for your lose.

Dude, truer words were never spoken!!! Man, I hope we can all take that post to heart - myself included. Sometimes I am blunt and sometimes I come off like a class A A-hole on these forums. But I am still in this hobby for fun. They are after all, just toy airplanes...