1 Day IMAC Contest

[falcon_az]

I want to ask - can an IMAC contest be conducted in a 1 day format vice the current 2 day format?

As a CD -
1 - I've thought about limiting the number of pilots to sign up
2 - Not offering classes unless there are 3 or more pilots (pilots can only move down to the next class if their class is canceled, however no points for them)
3 - Flying unknowns the first thing (they would be handed out at registration - the flying order is last pilot signed in is first pilot to fly unknowns in each class)
4 - Implementing strict timing requirements (starters will time pilots from the clearance to start engine, take off clearance, and from wheels in the well to in the box).

It seems very possible to start with unknowns, fly 3 known rounds, limit it to 25 pilots, begin at 9am sharp - end at 6pm sharp, and determine who was the best in each class by the end of the day.

Thank you for your comments and entertaining this idea.

[1bwana1]

Sure it can be done with 25 pilots, if you fly two lines, and everything goes really smooth. I would suggest you hand out the unknowns fist thing in the morning, but fly two rounds of knowns first to give pilots a chance to study them. It will be a busy day. We hold 7 one day EMAC contests a year out here, we usually have around 20 to 25 pilots. We only fly one line. Pilots each fly two rounds of knowns only, but we are thinking of adding unknowns for the higher classes. We start at around 10:00am, do a lunch break with freestyles, and usually finish by 2:30 to 3:00 pm. So with two lines and your added hours you should make it.

[Wayne]

Jeff,

This will severly limit the number of pilots that will drive to a contest if its only one day.
Your attendance numbers will go way down.


Please dont change it.

[Rolling Thunder]

Think it would only work with a very small, local contest.

[as722]

I woudn't drive more than two hours if it was a one day event.


Albert

[Zee]

Years a go we had one day contest Basic and Sportsman to get people involved and iterest started. And only local event. Full blown IMAC event in one day would be too hard and for participants not too ejoyable, specially for those that fly and judge, those people would have hard time to run in to the outhouse.
Zee

[Downhumpty]

	Quote: Originally Posted by falcon_az
	I want to ask - can an IMAC contest be conducted in a 1 day format vice the current 2 day format? As a CD - 1 - I've thought about limiting the number of pilots to sign up 2 - Not offering classes unless there are 3 or more pilots (pilots can only move down to the next class if their class is canceled, however no points for them) 3 - Flying unknowns the first thing (they would be handed out at registration - the flying order is last pilot signed in is first pilot to fly unknowns in each class) 4 - Implementing strict timing requirements (starters will time pilots from the clearance to start engine, take off clearance, and from wheels in the well to in the box). It seems very possible to start with unknowns, fly 3 known rounds, limit it to 25 pilots, begin at 9am sharp - end at 6pm sharp, and determine who was the best in each class by the end of the day. Thank you for your comments and entertaining this idea.

Please be sure to read the Contest Standards Guide and refresh your knowledge of our General Rules and Regulations and The Flying and Judging Guide as well. I have added some links below for thoughs of you that are interested.

http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad...uide_Rev_2.pdf

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/...aerobatics.pdf

Hope this helps,

Kent Porter

[krayzc]

1 day works for my schedule better

[mflander]

I agree Wayne. My drives will typically be around 10 hrs, and I would not do that for a one day event.

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by falcon_az
	I want to ask - can an IMAC contest be conducted in a 1 day format vice the current 2 day format? As a CD - 1 - I've thought about limiting the number of pilots to sign up 2 - Not offering classes unless there are 3 or more pilots (pilots can only move down to the next class if their class is canceled, however no points for them) 3 - Flying unknowns the first thing (they would be handed out at registration - the flying order is last pilot signed in is first pilot to fly unknowns in each class) 4 - Implementing strict timing requirements (starters will time pilots from the clearance to start engine, take off clearance, and from wheels in the well to in the box). It seems very possible to start with unknowns, fly 3 known rounds, limit it to 25 pilots, begin at 9am sharp - end at 6pm sharp, and determine who was the best in each class by the end of the day. Thank you for your comments and entertaining this idea.

As already stated, one day events are difficult and will hurt your attendance. I don't agree with a pilot flying in the next lower class if his/her class is not offered. I understand that they won't get points, but that is the point of going to a contest. Also, it's not fair to the other pilots in the lower class. They will still place behind this person, most likely, and may not bring home the wood because there was an over qualified pilot flying in that class. Flying until 6 p.m. can create some major issues with the sun, depending on the field layout. Most fields have East/West runways, and the pilot faces North. This will put the sun into the left side of the box in late afternoon. There isn't anything wrong with timing requirements, but will add frustration to an already very busy day for the pilots. Another problem will be a shortage of judges and scribes if you limit the # of pilots, especially if you run two flightlines. This problem can get even worse depending on the # of pilots in each class. If you have the majority of the pilots in one class, they can not judge when that class if flying. This will mean the the other pilots could possibly have to judge every round. It's not fair for a pilot to have to fly in front of the same judges for most or all of the contest, based on biased judging. I know it's not supposed to happen, but we all know that it does.

In my opinion the disadvantages out weigh the advantages of a one day contest instead of a two day contest. One of the best parts of a contest is sitting around and b.s.ing with your buds. That won't be able to happen with such a busy schedule. This will really turn the contest into a job and take the fun out of it.

[why_fly_high]

It would take a whole day to do it. People that drive a long distance would still have the cost of a hotel Saturday night. You might as well be there for 2 days. I think a later start on Saturday would be more helpful so more could drive up in the monring and save the Friday night Hotel. You would still only have one night hotel and still have Sunday for flying. Just a thought.

Dan

[mflander]

	Quote: Originally Posted by why_fly_high
	It would take a whole day to do it. People that drive a long distance would still have the cost of a hotel Saturday night. You might as well be there for 2 days. I think a later start on Saturday would be more helpful so more could drive up in the monring and save the Friday night Hotel. You would still only have one night hotel and still have Sunday for flying. Just a thought. Dan

Great suggestions, but you also have to consider getting everyone out at a decent time on Sunday. The contest ending any later then 2pm leaves a very bad day at work for me on monday lol.

Jason and Andy(also from MN) Just went to the clinton, in one, and I think Jason said they rolled into town at 3:30 am and went to work the next day, and I am a half an hour to an hour past them yet....

Not that my problems are yours, I'm just pointing out that late sundays can be an issue too. It's a fine line you must balance to keep everyone happy, and no one ever will be.

[MattyMatt]

Personally, I like the 1 day contest idea and completely disagree with attendance dropping.

I travel a lot for work... weekends are often the only time I'm home much. It is very hard for me to be gone all week, then leave my family again to be gone all weekend. I'm sure there are more people that have a harder time being gone all weekend than for one day. Besides, I have a short attention span... after one full day of watching the same planes do the same thing... I'm ready to go do something else.

How many of you would like to compete, but your spose would give you too much flack for being gone 1-2 weekends each month for 4-5 months, so you don't go? Many people work weekends as well and could possibly get off one day, but not two?

Not only the contestants, but the clubs don't like the whole weekends being used for contests as the regular club members complain about their club not being available. Also, more clubs could have contests if the neighbors didn't have to deal with 2-3 days of planes overhead. If this was the case, more contests could be run making you not have to drive so far.... and lets face it, with gas going as high as it will this summer $4.50?, i think more people will be less inclinded to drive so far anyway.


I think it would be nice to have both. I think there is value in looking into it.

[aviti]

Anyone with a long drive would have to stay overnight on Saturday anyway so might as well fly on Sunday too. The best plan is to do as much flying Saturday as possible so you can wrap up by noon on Sunday. Then even those with a 10 hour drive can be home before midnight.

[Temptation]

	Quote: Originally Posted by aviti
	Anyone with a long drive would have to stay overnight on Saturday anyway so might as well fly on Sunday too. The best plan is to do as much flying Saturday as possible so you can wrap up by noon on Sunday. Then even those with a 10 hour drive can be home before midnight.

Exactley. I agree 100%.

You can tell by reading these posts, who have competed in contests and who have not.